Would the 14th Amendment grant citizenship to children born to parents who are members or sympathizers of terrorist groups?

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:24pm

How about this: What does the very fact we declare them illegal tell you about jurisdiction?

zantax · February 17, 2020, 5:24pm

Not legally they can’t.

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:25pm

legally if America wanted to make me wear a sign that say “Canada is stupid” I have no say in the matter.

TheDoctorIsIn · February 17, 2020, 5:27pm

The only people present in this country, and exempt from selective service by statute are holders of current non-immigrant visas.

Those people are still subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but are specifically exempt by the statute.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:30pm

Yes, we can.

zantax · February 17, 2020, 5:31pm

Sure you do, you can go back home.

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:32pm

If you let me, thankfully America is cool.

TheDoctorIsIn · February 17, 2020, 5:33pm

At which point, he would no longer be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

See how this works?

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:35pm

And you can move to Canada, such as the Vietnam draft dodgers did.

zantax · February 17, 2020, 5:35pm

Yeah, I do. Subject to the jurisdiction thereof meant subject to the complete legal and political jurisdiction thereof. You are attempting to narrow it to only subject to our law while in our country. I am still under the jurisdiction of the US government no matter where I am on the planet. Illegal aliens are not.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:36pm

Citizenship is a legal status.

What are you talking about “political jurisdiction”? What does that mean?

I am still under the jurisdiction of the US government no matter where I am on the planet.

No you are not.

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:37pm

If your in Canada the U.S government has no say in anything relating to you.
If the Queen of Canada want to sentence you to 30 year of hard labor in Yukon, there is nothing America can do to stop it.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:38pm

Except invade.

TheDoctorIsIn · February 17, 2020, 5:39pm

I have no idea what “complete legal and political jurisdiction” means. It is certainly not defined by any law, and it does not have any common law meaning either.

No, that’s specifically what the term “jurisdiction” means - subject to our laws.

No, you’re not. Once you set foot outside the United States, you are no longer subject to its jurisdiction.

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:39pm

that didn’t work out well last time.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:40pm

CanadianJudo:

WuWei:

CanadianJudo:

zantax:

TheDoctorIsIn:

zantax:

Sure you do, you can go back home.

At which point, he would no longer be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

See how this works?

Yeah, I do. Subject to the jurisdiction thereof meant subject to the complete legal and political jurisdiction thereof. You are attempting to narrow it to only subject to our law while in our country. I am still under the jurisdiction of the US government no matter where I am on the planet. Illegal aliens are not.

If your in Canada the U.S government has no say in anything relating to you.
If the Queen of Canada want to sentence you to 30 year of hard labor in Yukon, there is nothing America can do to stop it.

Except invade.

that didn’t work out well last time.

Not the same canada.

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:40pm

Look at the kid who was sentenced to 20 year of hard labor in North Korea for touching a flag.
Nothing United States could do outside of ask nicely for them to not.

TheDoctorIsIn · February 17, 2020, 5:40pm

Well, the United States could politely ask the Queen of Canada to send the person in question back home.

But that’s about it.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:41pm

CanadianJudo:

TheDoctorIsIn:

zantax:

Subject to the jurisdiction thereof meant subject to the complete legal and political jurisdiction thereof.

I have no idea what “complete legal and political jurisdiction” means. It is certainly not defined by any law, and it does not have any common law meaning either.

zantax:

You are attempting to narrow it to only subject to our law while in our country.

No, that’s specifically what the term “jurisdiction” means - subject to our laws.

zantax:

I am still under the jurisdiction of the US government no matter where I am on the planet.

No, you’re not. Once you set foot outside the United States, you are no longer subject to its jurisdiction.

Look at the kid who was sentenced to 20 year of hard labor in North Korea for touching a flag.
Nothing United States could do outside of ask nicely for them to not.

Or invade.

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:41pm

The Queen of Canada is a Welsh Cogri.