Would the 14th Amendment grant citizenship to children born to parents who are members or sympathizers of terrorist groups?

sikofit · February 17, 2020, 4:49pm

Yes. The founders wanted something with every amendment. That’s why they’re amendments. If we start using the arguement you presented as justification to alter them then it applies to all the amendments and not just the ones that one side or the other disagrees with. It is an extremely slippery slope

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 4:53pm

“The founders” didn’t write the 14th Amendment. The 14th was written to address former slaves.

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:09pm

people often confuse the term subject to jurisdiction with loyalty to.
they are not the same thing.

I’m a Canadian citizen loyal to the nation of Canada but the second I cross the border I’m subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Diplomats are not subject to said jurisdiction and law hence their immunity.

The second someone crosses the border illegal or legally they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United Sates unless otherwise granted immunity.

zantax · February 17, 2020, 5:12pm

CanadianJudo:

TheDoctorIsIn:

Eagle-Keeper:

Why bother with having any exclusions? That’s what I don’t understand.

The exclusions exist due to the common law and long-running international traditions regarding diplomats - that even though they reside in the country they serve in, they are only beholden to and subject to the country they represent.

people often confuse the term subject to jurisdiction with loyalty to.
they are not the same thing.

I’m a Canadian citizen loyal to the nation of Canada but the second I cross the border I’m subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Diplomats are not subject to said jurisdiction and law hence their immunity.

The second someone crosses the border illegal or legally they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United Sates unless otherwise granted immunity.

You are not completely subject to them though.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:13pm

CanadianJudo:

TheDoctorIsIn:

Eagle-Keeper:

Why bother with having any exclusions? That’s what I don’t understand.

The exclusions exist due to the common law and long-running international traditions regarding diplomats - that even though they reside in the country they serve in, they are only beholden to and subject to the country they represent.

people often confuse the term subject to jurisdiction with loyalty to.
they are not the same thing.

I’m a Canadian citizen loyal to the nation of Canada but the second I cross the border I’m subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Diplomats are not subject to said jurisdiction and law hence their immunity.

The second someone crosses the border illegal or legally they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United Sates unless otherwise granted immunity.

I’ll be damned.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:13pm

Example please?

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:14pm

zantax:

CanadianJudo:

TheDoctorIsIn:

Eagle-Keeper:

Why bother with having any exclusions? That’s what I don’t understand.

The exclusions exist due to the common law and long-running international traditions regarding diplomats - that even though they reside in the country they serve in, they are only beholden to and subject to the country they represent.

people often confuse the term subject to jurisdiction with loyalty to.
they are not the same thing.

I’m a Canadian citizen loyal to the nation of Canada but the second I cross the border I’m subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Diplomats are not subject to said jurisdiction and law hence their immunity.

The second someone crosses the border illegal or legally they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United Sates unless otherwise granted immunity.

You are not completely subject to them though.

You are the second you enter another country your at their jurisdiction.
If you go to Saudi Arabia and break the law and they 100 lashes.

There is nothing anyone can do to help you.

zantax · February 17, 2020, 5:15pm

Can we draft him (if there was a draft), or make him register with selective service?

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:15pm

Jurisdiction is not your choice.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:16pm

Yes. Why do you guys fixate on the draft?

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:17pm

Yes I can be drafted.
They can pull me off the street and march me to boot camp.

adroit · February 17, 2020, 5:18pm

Exactly, we’ve executed illegals. You don’t get more subject to a jurisdiction than that.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:19pm

I’ve excited a few.

CanadianJudo · February 17, 2020, 5:20pm

You could make me wear a silly hat if you really wanted.
once someone entry the territory of the United States they subject to whatever laws you impose.

America is a good country.
other countries have very backward laws.

adroit · February 17, 2020, 5:20pm

Lol, AUTOCORRECT

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:20pm

Good to see you posting again.

Eagle-Keeper · February 17, 2020, 5:21pm

So they are not subject to our laws? What would happen if one committed a crime here?

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:21pm

I know. You’re correct. Much better example than the draft.

WuWei · February 17, 2020, 5:22pm

Diplomatic immunity. Like the drunk driving wife who ran from england.

TheDoctorIsIn · February 17, 2020, 5:23pm

You are unfamiliar with the concept of diplomatic immunity?

Yes, diplomats are not subject to our laws. If they commit a crime within our borders, the only thing we can do is send them home, and hope their country holds them responsible.