Will the real oppressors please stand up

Finally? Some been saying it since I been here.

You think northeastern elitists cared about Blacks?

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So no reparations then??

And ■■■■ the lowlifes who think they’re owed some.

Glad we can all agree.

In the latest reparations thread… more than a few cons were arguing that the North fought to end slavery.

Northeastern elites cared about black just a bit more than southerners. But it wasn’t exactly where it should have been.

untrue. It was prominent in 2 of four, mentioned only in relatioin to other slave states in one, and not mentioned at all in the other, the rest published no articles.

enough of your nonsense.

It was mentioned prominently in all of them…I corrected your erroneous declaration it was not.

In case you’ve forgotten:

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Andrew Johnson, though a Southern Democrat, became President after Lincoln’s assassination. He wanted to unify the country quickly and had to send in union troops to maintain the peace as reconstruction began. During the period, right after the war, Republicans began gaining political offices in the Southern states. This created resentment and so the South began creating “black codes” as a result.

“Southern states returned many of their old leaders and passed Black codes” to deprive the freedmen of many civil liberties, but Congressional Republicans refused to seat legislators from those states and advanced legislation to overrule the Southern actions.

However, Democrats had regained power in most Southern states by the late 1870s. Later, this period came to be referred to as Redemption. From 1890–1908 states of the former Confederacy passed statutes and amendments to their state constitutions that effectively disenfranchised most African Americans and tens of thousands of poor whites. They did this through devices such as poll taxes and literacy tests.

True, but in another thread, the repeated question was " why did it take a war to end slavery in the US when other nations did it without war? It was also stated directly by someone on your side of the aisle that it WAS the war that ended slavery. But it wasn’t actually lawfully ended until the 13th amendment was passed. And the black codes and Jim Crow laws that were passed still kept blacks in a defacto state of slavery.

so easily refuted… try harder.

Then you should have no problem finding where VA listed it as a reason to secede.

The only reference is to “oppression of the southern slave holding states.” You are free to read into it what you wish, but slavery is not a listed reason for secession.

Already been answered.

Of course it was a reference to slavery as a reason.

Why mention slaveholding as an adjective for the seceding states otherwise?

Not surprised you choose to double down on wrong, though.

In theory.

No, In practice

Chattel Slavery vs Freedmen

You assume that was their motivation.

The war not being fought to end slavery doesn’t mean slavery was not its main cause.

They didn’t mention slaveholding as a reason, they used it as a adjective to describe the southern states. The reason they gave was “oppression”. Further, while more prominent in TX secession, the biggest gripe they had seemed to be that the feds would not assist in defending TX border against bandits. At least they went on much longer about that. Also the fact they they were closer to the other southern states, geography seems to have also affected their decision. Slavery was also a reason, but just one of a few. Now good luck finding the secession statements from the rest of the southern states, because they didn’t publish any.

Not in practice. Northerners were “mostly” against slavery, but not all (about 2/3 according to what I’ve read). And of those who were it was the institution they abhorred not the people they loved. They hated the institution of slavery, they mostly didn’t give a tinkers damn about the actual slaves.

What am I assuming?

If I was a slave in 1860 and I escaped to the North, would I be subject to Chattel Slavery? Or would I be free?

Before the war? depends on which state you escaped to. In Delaware you’d still be a slave, because as Biden likes to remind us (when he wants southern redneck votes), Delaware, was a slave state. In point of fact, since the slaves in thye south were freed by the emancipation proclamation, Delaware was likely the last Slave state.

Yes Southern Democrats were conservative.

Which may explain why it’s mostly conservatives that are the ones getting upset at the “erasure” of “Southern Heritage”?