Railroads in the US in the late 19th century.
Thatâs the only way it is sustainable. But I wouldnât call it socialism, but rather regulation. It only becomes socialism at the tipping point of the ratio.
Of course it can be.
Any totalitarian system can also be Capitalist.
That is also a fair way to put it
Of course it can be.
Any totalitarian system can also be Capitalist.
I donât think so. Thatâs a contradiction.
WuWei: Jezcoe:So Capitalism exists with some degree of Socialism
The argument is now about the ratio.
Thatâs the only way it is sustainable. But I wouldnât call it socialism, but rather regulation. It only becomes socialism at the tipping point of the ratio.
That is also a fair way to put it
Unregulated capitalism will eat itself.
Jezcoe:Of course it can be.
Any totalitarian system can also be Capitalist.
I donât think so. Thatâs a contradiction.
Not at all⌠itâs just that the ones who get to participate in capital accumulation is much smaller.
mobulis: bootz:People ask why is democratic socialism bad, and start threads. But then DS is an alternative to Capitalism.
Now if we take Capitalism out of WW1 and WW2, then what would the world look like today? To simplify the discussion how about we just take America out of WW2.
China is Japan, and Europe is Nazis. There is no democracy, there is no liberty, there is no free press. There are no gay rights.
So all those socially liberal countries only exist because of Capitalism and Freedom.
I realize my correlations are not causations, but misdirection is what I do.
So tell me why is Capitalism bad?
Because it always produces massive wealth disparity.
Better everyone be poor together right?
If you say so.
Not at all⌠itâs just that the ones who get to participate in capital accumulation is much smaller.
Who decides?
Jezcoe:Not at all⌠itâs just that the ones who get to participate in capital accumulation is much smaller.
Who decides?
The poorâŚ
Jezcoe:Not at all⌠itâs just that the ones who get to participate in capital accumulation is much smaller.
Who decides?
The ones in charge. Hence totalitarianism.
Some would call is more along the lines of State Capitalism.
Wow, and if a frog had wings his butt wouldnât hit the ground when it jumped either.
The ones in charge. Hence totalitarianism.
Some would call is more along the lines of State Capitalism.
There is your contradiction. âState capitalismâ is an oxymoron. In totalitarianism, the state controls the means of production, which is the very definition of socialism.
Jezcoe:The ones in charge. Hence totalitarianism.
Some would call is more along the lines of State Capitalism.
There is your contradiction. âState capitalismâ is an oxymoron. In totalitarianism, the state controls the means of production, which is the very definition of socialism.
Not necessarily.
State Capitalism can be State management but fruits of the Capital gets dispersed and concentrated creating a wealthy âownerâ class and poorer labor class.
Capital is still used for profit, but instead of the workers owning the means of production⌠the heads of the state do.
SottoVoce:Capitalism in a vacuum is perfectly fine. Arguably the best economic model when it comes to innovation and progress. However, when greed and the desire for power are combined with capitalism, it can lead to inequality and even cause harm.
Inequality of what?
Resources.
Not necessarily.
State Capitalism can be State management but fruits of the Capital gets dispersed and concentrated creating a wealthy âownerâ class and poorer labor class.
Capital is still used for profit, but instead of the workers owning the means of production⌠the heads of the state do.
No. The state is controlling the means of production. That is socialism.
Resources.
How so? Iâm not following you.
Jezcoe:Not necessarily.
State Capitalism can be State management but fruits of the Capital gets dispersed and concentrated creating a wealthy âownerâ class and poorer labor class.
Capital is still used for profit, but instead of the workers owning the means of production⌠the heads of the state do.
No. The state is controlling the means of production. That is socialism.
We would agree that China can be classified as a system of Totalitarian State Capitalism?
Right?
We would agree that China can be classified as a system of Totalitarian State Capitalism?
Right?
No, for reasons already stated. âState capitalismâ is an oxymoron.
how is that, think about what you are saying. you cannot support it with examples.
LOL.
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