Why Do We Need to Raise the Debt Ceiling?

How’s this for a novel idea?:

Reduce spending.

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The debt ceiling law is unconstitutional.

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

I think step 1 may be understand what the debt ceiling is and then we can discuss spending reduction

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What you posted has nothing to do with deciding how much can be borrowed and or how it is paid back, It only states that you must pay it back. And borrowing is not the only way to pay it back, diverting other spending is also a valid method for paying it back.

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The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

The debt ceiling law, questions the validity US Debt. Constitution clearly says, “Shall not be questioned”.

Just as we do not have a democracy as spelled out in the constitution. Due to a law passed, that limits the amount of House Reps.

It’s not a ceiling. It’s a moon roof.

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The debt ceiling simply caps the amount the executive is allowed to borrow. But feel free to keep trying.

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Bingo! :+1:

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Congress passes spending bills, not the executive.
The 14th is clear that all debts shall not be questioned.

The Executive does not need to approve a damn thing…the debts will be paid per the Constitution.

The BS law is unconstitutional.

What do you think the 14th, section 4 means?

What should be cut…specifically, and what impact do you think that would have?

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The "BS’ law sets the guard rales for borrowing, which as part of the power of the purse, belongs to the congress. Section 4 prohibits the government from denying debts that it has incurred. That means it can’t absolve itself of the obligation, it doesn’t empower the executive to borrow on its own initiative, as all powers of the purse belong to the congress.

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There’s not a single problem that can’t be solved by just taxing the rich. Just ask any lib.

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How about insane waste? Maybe a few redundant and silly ones? This country wastes more money than any other. THAT should be unconstitutional.

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Never will happen.
Both sides are buying votes with crazy spending.

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If we completely zeroed out all discretionary spending, including defense spending, we would still be in the red.

:rofl: Amazing.

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Cut the “defense” budget in half.
Abolish the ATF
Cut any program with the words “gender” and “equity” in them.
Stop pissing away money in Ukraine.
Cut the CDC by 1/3rd
Cut the DOJ by half

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Nope - gotta zero out everything. Shut it all down completely. And you’ll still be running in the red.

That’s not all discretionary.

Only temporarily.

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What’s not discretionary?

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