You came in to just show your ignorance of what we were talking about? Do you understand that two different people two different conversations?
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Pretty much all libs have nowadays is to poke conservatives with a stick. And they look foolish doing so.
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So this Republican wants to deny military personnel access to IVF for medical fertility issues? Because of his morality?
Sad.
The cost is only one factor. My DIL just went through a course of IVF- there is a big leadup to the egg-harvesting involving a very unpleasant course of medications. To harvest and fertilize only one egg would have subjected her to having to wait, do all the meds again, and hope for the best. As it was, the doctors harvested multiple eggs and fertilized them- she ended up with 7 excellent embryos. Luckily, she got pregnant on the first try, and now will never need the harvest/fertilization procedure again- just the implantation when they decide they would like to try again.
Well it’s the same principle as why government money can’t be spent on abortion.
Harvesting and fertilizing are two very different things.
Pro-life principles don’t impact harvesting.
And to be clear, the point I addressed was the concern about excess embryos. My statement was that it can be done without excess embryos. I didn’t say it would be easy. I didn’t say it would be cheap. I simply said it can be done. And, in fact, in some other countries, it IS done. So claims that this-or-that consideration makes alternative approaches unworkable is flat-out wrong, because it does work elsewhere.
I think you are talking about the German “Embryo Protection Act” that was put into law in 1991.
That law states (among other things) that a doctor cannot fertilize more than 3 eggs and all 3 embryos must be used.
The result of this practice is that about 3% of implanted embryos are “aborted” due to those women having all three implant at the same time and start the gestation process.
Doctors now argue that is more “inhumane” to abort implanted embryos rather than discard them before implantation. German doctors have wanted the law to change for 20 years.
So it does not seem like it is the right things to do and Germany recognizes it.
Thing is a number of churches that don’t fall in lock step seem to be getting kicked out.
Much worse for the mother. The medications in question are not without side effects.
Our religion does not prohibit storing fertilized eggs, so I presume what our family does shouldn’t concern your group.
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It doesn’t make them any less Baptist, again being Baptist is an individual congregation thing, not a national organization thing.
Nonetheless, there are no “leftover” embryos, which was the point being addressed.
And if you do the math, 3% getting aborted is far less that if 10 get started, and one gets implanted, and 90% ending up getting killed.
Of course, even 3% is too many.
Certainly not pro-life doctors, which is the context in which this point is being discussed.
Nonetheless, the question being addressed was the pro-life concern ab out leftover embryos. I didn’t ask you to like the answer, but the answer doesn’t change because you are stretching for objections.
I said nothing about religion. All I did was provide a way to eliminate the problem of leftover embryos.
The law also forces the implantation of embryos with defects. Which also brings up serious ethical concerns.
There is a movement to rewrite the 1991 law to be more in line with practices in the US and other western countries.
So although, yes, it is technically possible to IVF with limited embryos. It doesn’t mean it’s the best for the mother or the embryos.
End of my participation on this point.
Not a problem for most people.
Doesn’t matter. The original point I addressed (and that I continue to stick with) was specific to the problem of excess embryos from the pro-life perspective. You don’t adhere to the pro-life perspective, so it doesn’t apply to you. I’m not interested in moving goalposts. I said what I said. I stand by it. It’s true. And it does not change.
I am concerned for women who live in states where pro–lifers affect policy, although it seems that even conservatives are hesitant to mess with IVF.