Yeah a hybrid is an entirely different animal.
I have a couple of family members who drive Prius’. No EV’s in the family though.
Still driving a full sized gas powered Buick myself. 
Why are you too scared to say texas name?
“It’s an entirely different kind of flying.”
(I just can’t help myself.)
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For how long? Fuel infrastructure is more fragile and vulnerable to interruption than an electrical grid. When the grid does go down, it comes back so fast–or the outages are so localized-that gas infrastructure is rarely stress-tested.
Just this year, mere billing problems in one pipeline company paralyzed the entire southeast for weeks. It didn’t even take a drop of rain to have people panic-buying gas in plastic bags.
I don’t think that’s true.
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It’s true. Fuel only seems reslilent because assumptions about reliable electricity are baked into the premise of these hypotheticals.
How long will multiple fuel trucks per day get to gas stations in a scenario without electricity?
There is redundancy.
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In a worst case scenario fuel can be mechanically pumped from reservoirs to start the generator system if need be (if no fuel were kept for it, which is unlikely) and it could be kept running till there was no more gas.
Those telling you what is what have often been relying on people not having or not applying practical imagination to cope with hypothetical situations. What has not been stress tested is if you could come up with work arounds to help yourself rather than wait for government or big business to save you. If you had to I bet you could.
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A simple hand pump that doesn’t require electricity could get fuel for a generator to be started, for instance.
What’s the equivalent for true EVs (not hybrids): building giant hamster wheels?
Also trucks mostly don’t run on electricity. Fuel tankers with EV semis will be SOL though.
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There is far more redundancy in the electrical grid. And in the worst-case scenario, more people can make their own electricity than they can make their own fuel. Most petrol engines will always be dependent on the choreograhed dance of a thousand other people bringing the gas to you.
Assuming you have fuel already stockpiled. The hard work is already done at that point. 20 hours later, what use is your hand pump?
Californias power grid will be fine. Clean renewable energy is the future.
A gas station that doesn’t have gas already in its own storage tanks … really? You’re that desperate to invent hard cases?
No, just thinking more than a few hours ahead. Do you know how many trucks service your local gas station per day?
And there’s always candles for the times they aren’t.
Seriously, you’re spouting overly optimistic sunshine (which, incidentally, isn’t always available) while Auto is harping worst case scenarios.
Please tell me when the environmentalist will support expanding the power grid to support widely used EVs and when all our local power stations, lines to every residence and in every residence will be upgraded too?
Underground storage tanks typically holds around 10,000 gallons fuel in each. A typical tanker truck usually holds about 8,500-9,000 gallon fuel. By some accounts 2,000-4,000 gallons a day seems typical for small stations (not those big truck stops).
So most stations can get by with a delivery every other day and never be stressed.
You’ve been fed a line,
Is there a shortage of trucks or a shortage of truckers?
48 hours. That’s a pretty short loss-of-services scenario.
What is this word “future?”
Environmentalists do support expanding the power grid, just with clean energy.
Secondly, the switch to EV is a gradual change. Not every car on the road will be electric overnight.
Lastly, we’ve already handled this problem before. When Air Conditioning became popular in buildings, the power grid needed to be expanded to accommodate all the new ac units.
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