We need to be Self Sufficient Nationally

[JayJay]

You guys are bitching about $4 a gallon gas and that’s just disassociating from Russia.

So the question was a valid one.

Globalization wasn’t a “Lib plot to take over the world”.

It happened for economic reasons.

[zantax]

@Safiel

@Supreme_War_Pig

@Safiel

@Supreme_War_Pig

Okay. When Safiel speaks, attention must be paid.

Suppose instead of full self sufficiency, we agreed to farm some production out to countries such as Canada, Mexico, and the EU?

Actually, and I am being deadly serious.

Given the ■■■■■■■ crap our domestic shipyards have foisted on us in recent years. I suggest we farm out construction of the new class of frigates to Great Britain, Italy, Spain, etc.

Give our domestic shipyards some actual competition and maybe they will stop turning out total crap.

And so am I. In my opinion, you are the wisest fellow around here.

Having said that, you are focused on defense expenditures (which is your wont). That must be considered, but I submit that we should first look to the production of domestic widgets, weejaws, and other assorted ephemera. These items drive our spending, and therefore our economy

There is no way that you can drive domestic production of any product, no matter have vital or necessary, without gross interference in the free market.

However.

As wealth and standards of living increase overseas, the marginal utility of overseas production will gradually decrease. It will take a long time to be sure, but there is no way to do otherwise that I consider to be economically permissible.

Oh I can think of a fairly light regulatory action that could go a long way, the fed is a really big buyer of most items, if they only buy American made that should go a long way. Even better if states do the same.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

and that’s just disassociating from Russia.

No it isn’t.

[Guvnah]

@TheRedComet

He’s not wrong. It would be a significant transition and the American poor would be most heavily impacted. It would take some time for the price of American made products to fall to a more affordable level as mass production dropped the price.

Of course it would take time. It took decades to get to where we are now. It won’t be corrected overnight. Nor in a year. Nor even in a decade.

But it has to happen. Start now. Just start.

(Well, it won’t start now. We have leadership with the same defeatist attitude as our resident libs here.)

[DisturbedGuy]

@JayJay

You guys are bitching about $4 a gallon gas and that’s just disassociating from Russia.

So the question was a valid one.

Globalization wasn’t a “Lib plot to take over the world”.

It happened for economic reasons.

Maximizing shareholder value.

[PeterGriffin]

@WuWei

The American farmer and rancher needs to be turned loose. Like in the 70s and before

And a wave of Farm Aid in the 80’s.

Sentimental claptrap. Set farmers loose and they’ll poison us all. Ranching is a low paying environmental disaster that needs massive Federal subsidy to be feasible.

[Gaius]

Buy a “1.”

[Paul_Thomson]

@JayJay

Globalization wasn’t a “Lib plot to take over the world”.

Correct. Libism is another strand of extended authoritarianism among many others in the various globalist plots to rule the globe.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

Oh I can think of a fairly light regulatory action that could go a long way, the fed is a really big buyer of most items, if they only buy American made that should go a long way. Even better if states do the same.

With exceptions, this has already been the law since 1933.

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

Oh I can think of a fairly light regulatory action that could go a long way, the fed is a really big buyer of most items, if they only buy American made that should go a long way. Even better if states do the same.

With exceptions, this has already been the law since 1933.

Yeah, at 55% US Content and self certified by the manufacturer. Obviously that can be significantly expanded… Biden would appear to agree.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/bidens-buy-american-rules-mandate-75percent-us-made-content/ar-AAUJS8g

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

Yeah, at 55% US Content and self certified by the manufacturer. Obviously that can be significantly expanded… Biden would appear to agree.

My point is that your suggestion is already in place.

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

Yeah, at 55% US Content and self certified by the manufacturer. Obviously that can be significantly expanded… Biden would appear to agree.

My point is that your suggestion is already in place.

Partially, weakly in place.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

Partially, weakly in place.

Currently the laws/regulations require that all products and raw materials purchased by the Federal Government must meet the standard of 60% of the value of the component parts originate in America. That will rise to 75% by 2029.

What more should be put into place, to make the significant difference you see?

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

Partially, weakly in place.

Currently the laws/regulations require that all products and raw materials purchased by the Federal Government must meet the standard of 60% of the value of the component parts originate in America. That will rise to 75% by 2029.

What more should be put into place, to make the significant difference you see?

Ninety percent by 2035 should do it.

[Ceasar]

@Safiel

Self sufficiency is unrealistic and self defeating.

I would absolutely and resolutely oppose any and all policies that would be necessary to force self sufficiency.

And it would require pretty draconian policies to achieve the desired level of self sufficiency.

I think you misunderstood what i said.

I don’t want to stop all trade. I want essential things done HERE. Military, staple foods, medicines & fuel.

[Auto129]

Has the baby formula shortage changed any views on this subject?

[Safiel]

@Auto129

Has the baby formula shortage changed any views on this subject?

If anything, it has strengthened my viewpoint. In this case, we should open our markets to European Union baby formula. If we were currently doing so, this situation would never have occurred.

[Janet_Miller]

Would that require imposition of less taxes on business?

Are small businesses in particular able to foot the costs of recruiting, benefiting, training personnel?

Reasons To Outsource Manufacturing

I agree it would be ideal to manufacture in house. Taxes in particular on businesses sometimes drive business to lower tax states, and financially IMO some incentive is required to make on site production more desirable.