You are blinded by partisanship. You think a pause in about $250 million in aid in fall(and despite all these grandiose claims of Trump arming Ukraine with lethal weapons, only a fraction of our annual $250 million a year was technically lethal) gave Putin the okay? Grow up. In the months leading up to the invasion we were warning everyone that Putin was going to invade. Harris trip was to shore up our allies as we shipped BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of lethal aid into Ukraine and telling Russia how bad this was going to be. Getting our allies ready to keep funneling on the billions and billions more it was going to take to keep Ukraine a free country. And it still is. With portions illegally occupied. This adminiatration focused NATO and the EU on what was important. Stopping Russian aggression. And in the process got Sweden and Finland to join which was not small feat. One of the reasons it was so difficult? ORBAN! Who Trump loves. Set aside the hate. The Biden administration has done pretty good.
They were always loose with the intended interpretation of various treaties but the INF was the one they really wiped their ass with in such a way that it had to die and kudos on Trump for withdrawing from it.
That said, we wiped our ass with the ABM treaty back in the early 2000s so I get it kind of.
you should take your own advice child. Your reasoning is no different than a teenage girl
He didn’t pause it, he froze it and he did it to appease Putin. How’d that work? How did thumping his chest and threatening sanctions work? Biden/Harris is a ■■■■■■■ moron
thats a lie, the aid was frozen
another lie, we offered Zalensky a ride
they ■■■■■■■ invited it with their stupidity
pretty ■■■■■■■ easy after Russia invaded a neighbor
they are ■■■■■■■ morons too afraid of what happens after Putin to allow Ukraine to win. Their policy just plain sucks. Either give Ukraine what they need and let them use it or cut bait.
Ukraine’s only chance to win is Trump.
Okay let’s just start here with one for right now. Aid was frozen when Harris was there? Ive had to explain timelines to you multiple times during this war. You always think aid got to Ukraine way after it happened. As one example you were lying or very uninformed as to claims you made about when HIMAARS got there and I had to correct you there…But you think aid was frozen when Harris was there three days before the invasion??? Jesus ■■■■■■■ tap dancing christ. Flights of Javelins and Stingers and Mk19s and M141 and LAWs and At-4s and everything they could use immediately was flying in non stop till the last hour. And then it continued to Poland and was trucked in. The idea that lethal aid was frozen days before the invasion shows you honestly have no understanding of the support that has been given. Blinded by partisanship hatred. Or you’re lying.
you didn’t correct ■■■■■ I was right about the HIMARSm its the artillery I admit, I was wrong about
thats a lie, the aid was frozen in june and did not start up again until after the invasion
you are lying and blinded by TDS if you think Biden has handled this well, He has slow walked everything to ensure Ukraine never has enough to win, blocked tanks going to Ukraine, blocked F-16’s going to ukraine, blocked ATACM’s going to Ukraine. and created more Russian “red lines” than Putin has. He’s a ■■■■■■■ disaster. and he’s still slow walking ■■■■ now. There’s 6B in aid that the authorization runs out on at the end of September that they’ll never see
thats enough money for 50 f16’s 500 M1’s and about 1000 bradleys and still have about 2B left (at cost, not even considering they would be old decommissioned equipment from storage)
Links from January 2022. We’d already been sending stuff. And it doesn’t matter what you think was authorized. I was tracking the flights as they went into Ukraine and Poland up till the hour. Go back to the original start of this thread. We’re on the trilogy but I was the third poster when it started. You may disagree with me but I’ve been following non stop.
And here’s really where I get annoyed. You have no concept of money equating military ability. Sooooo, we give Ukraine 50 F-16s…do they have the pilots, the technicians, the munitions, the training, the infrastructure to operate it AND defend it? And for how many years? It’s this armchair army general ■■■■■■■■■ You do it all the time. The whole “They should have taken Tokmak!”. Does it ever cross your mind that through the Ukrainian military(who has been fairly smart for the most part) and NATO advice…that no one thought of that except for you? Ease up internet Napoleon. It’s not a game of Risk.
once again you either lie or purposefully act dumb. The 6B isn’t for 2022, it’s happening RIGHT NOW. If by the end of September Biden does not send 6B in aid the 6B will be gone forever for Ukraine.
That’s now, right now. because of the Biden/Harris administrations slow walk scared asses There is 6B in aid Ukraine will never see.
And again, additional lethal aid to Ukraine was stopped until and unless Russia invaded
all the spin and lies of Biden/Harris will not change that.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169#:~:text=The%20Biden%20White%20House%20has%20temporarily%20halted%20a%20military%20aid
and you have no concept of money not spent. Send the weapons and systems to Poland now for Ukraine. If it takes time to train up, at least they’ll have them once they do. As it is now, they wouldn’t get them at all.
and no, I did not say they “should have taken Tokmak” after the fact. I was quite clear before the Ukrainian offensive ever started that Melitipol was the key, at that time there were no Russian defense lines and the defense around Melitopol was a shell.
I quite clearly stated before it ever began that I believed they would either go for Kherson and have a long hard slog (proven true), or do the dumbest of all their options and go for Lyman (which they did) leaving them in a position where Russian forces still had presence close by and could bring additional forces down from Russia to counter attack (which they have).
I was also quite clear that the reason they would opt for one of the two of the worser options (before they did either) was because the US would advise them to do it that way because of the fear that they may actually manage to liberate Crimea which would be the end of Putin, which is what Biden/Harris fear more than anything.
At the time, I was calling for Ukraine to go on he offensive and take melitpol, you and everyone else was saying Ukraine should not go on the offensive at all, they couldn’t win. This was around Jun/Jul of 2022 time period before Ukraine ever started any offensive.
Your knee jerk partisan defense of the stupidity that is the Biden/Harris policy is an issue for you, not me. I have supported arming Ukraine from the beginning, I still do. If we continue with the half assed, retarded Biden/Harris too scared to be decisive disastrous policy of arming them just enough to not make Russia too mad and ensure they can’t actually win (which would really make Putin mad), Ukraine will lose.
Part 3? Damn, you go girls! 
I know you don’t agree with me on Ukraine, but somebody needs to tell these leftists that if your policy is to only allow enough arms in the battle to not lose, you will lose.
Some people actually believe that Biden/Harris has done a good job in Ukraine, when all they’ve done is prolong the war, caused more suffering in Ukraine than needed be, and if they continue with the current policy, ensured Ukraine’s loss.
Biden/Harris are not doing Ukraine any favors by making sure they have rough parity in combat power. Parity does not win wars; a positive force imbalance does. If you can’t win a war of attrition, which Ukraine cannot, then you cannot win defending (which is the case almost always anyway). You win by taking the fight to the enemy and defeating him, not by dying while you wait for him to defeat himself.
I’m wholly focused on the Part 3 part. I think this is the first thread to accomplish that feat, making this the only topic with 20,000+ posts.
well, the war is a single topic 2 1/2 years and running. although Biden being a dumbass does predate that by a lot, that feat is not singular, there are many, many examples for topics.
The Official Trump 2024 Candidacy Threads match these ones in views (~175k views). If there’s anything as truthful as Biden being completely incompetent, it’s TDS being a real mental disease.
It has developed into several related topics within the same thread all interrelated to the conflict. The actual battlefield developments, the political issues, the conflicts effects on domestic politics and side discussions. I had no idea it would take on a life of its own when I started it.
Every good story has at least three parts. 
3 parts. And the Russians still suck. Wow thought they would have made some progress by now.
And with Biden/Harris leading this one it has all the hallmarks of a Shakespearean tragedy.
stupid and corrupt leaders
lots of gore and death
comical foreign propaganda (complete with a jester!)
a sympathetic victim
lots of court fools
Biden has handled absolutely nothing well.
You have to wonder about leftists that make such a crazy claim. 
The real soulless cash grabs break the third one into two parts.
The big bad red teddy bear. 
Two and a half years and counting. They (the Russians) thought it would be over in two and a half weeks.
