Ukraine (some of it) was part of the Russan Empire when it was taken by force in 1793 until the Bolsheviks killed the Emperor and formed the Soviet Union. Ukraine including the Crimean Peninsula, became a Soviet State, separate from the Russian Soviet State in 1922. The Russia of today is not the same country as the Russian Empire, it is essentially the same country as the Soviet State of Russia plus Siberia and a few other formerly semi-autonomous Soviet States. Any historical claim they have to Crimea or any other part of Ukraine was extinguished in 1917 when the Russian Empire ceased to exist.
Nonsense, one side doesn’t get to just declare they aren’t fighting a war. That takes both sides to agree to. Plus I can roll out quotes from various US officials saying we are at war with Russia.
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How many countries we don’t have a claim to are WE currently occupying against a countries will? I fail to see how the US has any moral authority to tell any country they can’t occupy another country. We have been doing it non stop since Viet Nam.
I’m not passing judgement, I’m citing history.
But I am curious … What countries are we currently occupying that were occupied against their will other than Hawaii?
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Syria currently. Or did you think Assad likes us?
We have a about 900 troops stationed there. We are not occupying Syria.
Oh? Does the government of Syria want us to be there? News to me.
That does not constitute an occupation.
Well I guess we have different definitions, mine is if you are there against the current governments will.
The government of Syria ceded control of the area where our troops are stationed to the Islamic Caliphate before we got there … that, in fact, is why we are there.
By the way, there are around 60,000 Russians in Syria … if Putin hasn’t recently redeployed them to Ukraine, that is.
Bah you know we are there only by force of arms and many other places by force of economics and threats of force.
We didn’t shoot a single Syrian soldier to get there.
Force is force. And I doubt that.
Looks like dead Syrians to me.
“Islamic State” Not Syrians under the authority of Assad.
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Ukraine (some of it) was part of the Russan Empire when it was taken by force in 1793 until the Bolsheviks killed the Emperor and formed the Soviet Union . . . [/quote]
On the other side of the country there is the Ukrainian town of Mukachevo.
- First the Ukrainians stole it from Austro-Hungary
- Then the Ukrainians stole it form Hungary
- Then they stole it from the Third Reich, and so on
Those crazy Ukrainians keep stealing their towns from whichever latest true owners liberated it. They must be a bunch of warmongers or something huh? (lol)
Yes, it has been contested ground for thousands of years, but the Russian claim ended with the demise of the Russian Empire.
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it never belonged to the Russian empire, It was Hungary then. They have no claim at all.
Meh by the same token the English had no claim on America.
I am amazed that this conversation is about militarily gains and loses. From what I have read the big loss is centered around the sanctions that have been put on Russia. Putin has really hurt his people. And it will be decades before the Russia market will recover. What am I missing here?
No. The Russian Empire took it (most of present-day Ukraine including Crimea) from the Austria-Hungarian Empire and held it through the Crimean War until the Bolsheviks took over in 1917.
