U.S. Chamber of Commerce lies by omission over border closing!

SottoVoce · March 31, 2019, 5:47pm

mobulis:

johnwk2:

daha:

johnwk2:

The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Mexico was $63.6 billion in 2017

So what? Explain to us the relevance of the trade deficit when discussing completely shutting down the border please. Do you believe this means that US manufacturers and service providers would NOT be losing horrific amounts of money daily during the closure? Or do you believe manufacturers would no longer require the goods they need to make their products. We’re talking a total economic effect of about 1.5 billion per DAY with the border completely closed. So please, go ahead and explain how the annual trade deficit is relevant to this discussion. I’m waiting with bated breath.

A closing of the border will mostly affect Mexico who now mostly benefits from trade. You apparently have not been paying attention, or, you are trying to scare American citizens over a justified closing of the border which will encourage Mexico to stop the flow of poverty stricken migrants from Central America who are headed for the United States.

Is this really that difficult for you to figure out?

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

So you really don’t understand.

It’s his modus operandi. Post something incredibly long that no one reads littered with quotes that typically have tangential relevance. If refuted, post even longer replies with more quotes. Eventually, he’ll just ignore any evidence to the contrary and post a non-sequitur.

He’s not on here for a two way discussion. Just a sounding board for his ideas presented in a pseudo-intellectual manner.

Absolution · March 31, 2019, 6:00pm

Indeed it is. So is the underlying hate and prejudice.

LucyLou · March 31, 2019, 6:04pm

johnwk2:

See ‘Mother of all migrant caravans’ forming in Honduras as Trump threatens again to shut US-Mexico border

”Mexico’s interior minister has warned that “the mother of all migrant caravans” is gathering in Hondur as, as President Donald Trump again threatened to seal the US-Mexican border.

Olga Sanchez-Cordero said the caravan, forming in the Central American nation, was 20,000-strong. Another caravan of roughly 2,500 migrants is currently heading north.”

Why on earth is the Democrat Party Leadership refusing to pass emergency legislation to halt illegal border crossings and immediately deal with fraudulent asylum seekers?

Why is the Democrat Party Leadership determined to fill our country with the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying and criminal populations of other countries? Do they not care about the devastating social and financial consequences of this ongoing invasion, and especially how it mostly affects our poorer communities?

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

Fake News.

MidwestIndy · March 31, 2019, 7:02pm

You know whats amusing is everyone on this board on both sides wants Trump to shut the border down.

Jezcoe · March 31, 2019, 8:06pm

johnwk2:

daha:

johnwk2:

The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Mexico was $63.6 billion in 2017

So what? Explain to us the relevance of the trade deficit when discussing completely shutting down the border please. Do you believe this means that US manufacturers and service providers would NOT be losing horrific amounts of money daily during the closure? Or do you believe manufacturers would no longer require the goods they need to make their products. We’re talking a total economic effect of about 1.5 billion per DAY with the border completely closed. So please, go ahead and explain how the annual trade deficit is relevant to this discussion. I’m waiting with bated breath.

A closing of the border will mostly affect Mexico who now mostly benefits from trade. You apparently have not been paying attention, or, you are trying to scare American citizens over a justified closing of the border which will encourage Mexico to stop the flow of poverty stricken migrants from Central America who are headed for the United States.

Is this really that difficult for you to figure out?

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

I don’t think you know how trade between the US and Mexico actually works.

Jezcoe · March 31, 2019, 8:07pm

Yep.

I am at the point where I want them to get everything that they want.

I will be able to weather the economic storm.

Will they?

Apocalypto · March 31, 2019, 8:26pm

I feel the same way. I saved enough in ten years (I also own property in anotger country) to keep me afloat for two years. So, let these numbnuts burn it all down.

SeaManatee · March 31, 2019, 8:30pm

mobulis:

johnwk2:

daha:

johnwk2:

The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Mexico was $63.6 billion in 2017

So what? Explain to us the relevance of the trade deficit when discussing completely shutting down the border please. Do you believe this means that US manufacturers and service providers would NOT be losing horrific amounts of money daily during the closure? Or do you believe manufacturers would no longer require the goods they need to make their products. We’re talking a total economic effect of about 1.5 billion per DAY with the border completely closed. So please, go ahead and explain how the annual trade deficit is relevant to this discussion. I’m waiting with bated breath.

A closing of the border will mostly affect Mexico who now mostly benefits from trade. You apparently have not been paying attention, or, you are trying to scare American citizens over a justified closing of the border which will encourage Mexico to stop the flow of poverty stricken migrants from Central America who are headed for the United States.

Is this really that difficult for you to figure out?

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

So you really don’t understand.

Understanding is not the goal.

JayJay · March 31, 2019, 8:55pm

If you don’t understand economics and how it works, you should just say so John.

Instead of displaying your ignorance for all to see.

daha · March 31, 2019, 10:20pm

So as long as it hurts Mexico slightly more, you’re fine with losing your fellow Americans over 700 million per day (not counting loss of things like imported raw materials for manufacturing and a significant portion of your food supply). I am absolutely anti-illegal immigration. However, I’m sure there’s a solution that wouldn’t take down 1000s of Americans with it. I suppose if it doesn’t hurt you directly that’s fine though? They should just take it for the team?

CanadianJudo · March 31, 2019, 10:24pm

Aka Mexico should do a better job at defending the American border.

westaussie · April 1, 2019, 3:17am

One would have thought that EVEN D Trump would realise that cutting foreign aid will actually exacerbate the problem. But then again it is D Trump.

Jezcoe · April 1, 2019, 9:47am

It’s the supply side version of foreign aid.

Cutting taxes brings in more revenue so cutting foreign aid will improve a humanitarian crises.

westaussie · April 1, 2019, 9:58am

Not sure exactly what your point is.

JayJay · April 1, 2019, 11:15am

Sarcasm…he forgot Sarcafont™

westaussie · April 1, 2019, 11:23am

Thanks JJ that was the view I was leaning towards. However, it is a bit hard to tell based on some posts I have read on here.

Jezcoe · April 1, 2019, 11:50am

Yeah. It was sarcasm.

westaussie · April 1, 2019, 11:55am

Thanks for confirming Jezcoe.

johnwk2 · April 1, 2019, 12:17pm

mobulis:

johnwk2:

daha:

johnwk2:

The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Mexico was $63.6 billion in 2017

So what? Explain to us the relevance of the trade deficit when discussing completely shutting down the border please. Do you believe this means that US manufacturers and service providers would NOT be losing horrific amounts of money daily during the closure? Or do you believe manufacturers would no longer require the goods they need to make their products. We’re talking a total economic effect of about 1.5 billion per DAY with the border completely closed. So please, go ahead and explain how the annual trade deficit is relevant to this discussion. I’m waiting with bated breath.

A closing of the border will mostly affect Mexico who now mostly benefits from trade. You apparently have not been paying attention, or, you are trying to scare American citizens over a justified closing of the border which will encourage Mexico to stop the flow of poverty stricken migrants from Central America who are headed for the United States.

Is this really that difficult for you to figure out?

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

So you really don’t understand.

I understand exactly what your objective is in this forum.

JWK

It was March of 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies ___ socialists, communists and anarchists in Congress ___ continued with their obstruction against securing America’s borders and refused to pass laws allowing an immediate repatriation of undesirable foreigners who are invading America’s borders.

H_Arendt · April 1, 2019, 12:55pm

The Chamber of Commerce played a a major role in building Congressional majorities against both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

“Chamber of communism” is a hilarious term!