The war on Venezuela (the war on drugs) (regime change)

[bigtwnvin]

If you’re suggesting LEOs do that why bother? Drug peddling scum are already doing that to one another.

[tnt]

@bigtwnvin

If you’re suggesting LEOs do that why bother? Drug peddling scum are already doing that to one another.

We have no issue with executing the runners in boats. Why not just kill the people selling it on the streets?

[bigtwnvin]

@tnt

executing the runners

Bloviating the drug cartel support with the rest of the TDS infected pukes.

[tnt]

@bigtwnvin

@tnt

executing the runners

Bloviating the drug cartel support with the rest of the TDS infected pukes.

I don’t support drug runners.

I also don’t support summary execution by the US military.

[Oldandtired]

I am sure he will have limp wristed progs. Me on the other hand i will have Marines.

[mobiusptc]

US military dont have such a gentle history when dealing with first nations…besides more importantly: Crayola doesn’t have factories in the Dakota’s, Wyoming, Idaho areas…how ya gonna feed em?

[tnt]

@Oldandtired

I am sure he will have limp wristed progs. Me on the other hand i will have Marines.

Gavin will have the Marines if he’s President.

[Samm]

@tnt

@Samm

They are engaged in an international crime but are not within the territorial boundaries of any country, so nobody can arrest them. But there is no law that says vessels used to commit that international crime cannot be targeted and sunk. So if they don’t want to risk being killed, they should stay at the dock instead of taking their boats out to sea where they can be targeted and sunk.

They can’t be arrested, but they can be killed.

That’s idiotic logic.

Logic has nothing to do with it. That’s simply the hard cold facts.

[Samm]

@tnt

@bigtwnvin

There are hundreds of thousands of American parents, spouses, siblings, children and friends who have lost family members and friends to illegal drug overdoses or perhaps the violence associated with the drug trade. I’m betting these people could give a rats ass about some of these conversations. And the politicians seizing on the TDS word salads du jour? Why are they giving the impression their “defense” of drug traffickers is justified? Are they receiving compensation of some kind from drug cartels?

Why aren’t we summarily executing the people on the corners selling the drugs?

Because that is not permitted under our laws and the Constitution.

But you knew that.

[Samm]

@7426k

“Since we’re not at war, we can kill them but we can’t detain them”.

It’s farcical.

That’s not the reason.

[Samm]

@tnt

@7426k

“Since we’re not at war, we can kill them but we can’t detain them”.

It’s farcical.

I’m shocked anyone can type that with a straight face.

[Samm]

@Nemesis

Certainly do, but just goes to show Trump is as keen on getting the US into a miltary conflict as any other president. They all love being CINC and the power it gives them.

I can’t argue with that. 300 billion barrels of oil is a tempting incentive.

[Samm]

@tnt

@bigtwnvin

If you’re suggesting LEOs do that why bother? Drug peddling scum are already doing that to one another.

We have no issue with executing the runners in boats. Why not just kill the people selling it on the streets?

You know the answer to that. Quit pretending that you don’t.

[JayJay]

@Samm

@tnt

@Samm

Quit trying to put words in my mouth with your strawman questions. I have told you before, I’m not going to play that game.

Oh?

Look in the mirror.

@tnt

@Samm

You should stop defending these cartel drug runners. It’s not a pretty look.

I’m not defending drug runners. I’m saying we shouldn’t summarily execute them.

So Make your post make sense to me. I asked you what is so scary about these drug runners that requires them to be summarily executed. You said you were afraid of being robbed.

How is my conclusion a straw man?

They are engaged in an international crime but are not within the territorial boundaries of any country, so nobody can arrest them. But there is no law that says vessels used to commit that international crime cannot be targeted and sunk. So if they don’t want to risk being killed, they should stay at the dock instead of taking their boats out to sea where they can be targeted and sunk.

And learn to read. I said your questions are strawmen, not your conclusions.

Yes there is indeed a statute dictating that the President cannot use military force at his whim to execute people, whether criminals or not.

He can’t even do it after claiming they are members of a foreign terrorist organization.

The statute has been repeated in this thread at least twice.

The President does not have unilateral power over the military like that.

And such strikes are widely considered under international human rights laws to be extrajudicial killings.

And this is the whole problem, before we get a stupid “why are you on the side of drug smugglers” response.

The President’s legal justification for using military force as he has done is unfounded and dubious.

It doesn’t matter if we are 100% certain the people are drug smugglers.

There is no international (human rights laws) or national law (Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act or Section 219 of the INA) that gives the Executive the power to kill them UNLESS there is an IMMINENT or IMMEDIATE danger.

He can’t do it. He has no delegated power or authority that lets him do it.

The fact that people support him while he does do it just shows there are those that are willing to cede yet another undelegated power to the President so they can feel “safe” or “tough”, I guess.

Judging by the Franklin memes that are popping up in right wing circles, I’m now surmising it is not about being safe…it is yet another misguided understanding of what it means to be “tough” and “strong” and feel like “we are getting things done, man!”

[Zander]

@bigtwnvin

There are hundreds of thousands of American parents, spouses, siblings, children and friends who have lost family members and friends to illegal drug overdoses or perhaps the violence associated with the drug trade. I’m betting these people could give a rats ass about some of these conversations. And the politicians seizing on the TDS word salads du jour? Why are they giving the impression their “defense” of drug traffickers is justified? Are they receiving compensation of some kind from drug cartels?

This would be a much better movie. Needs Javier Bardem though. Gotta get Javier.

[Ben_Natuf]

you have no idea where it was headed, thats all there is

[JayJay]

@Ben_Natuf

you have no idea where it was headed, thats all there is

Admiral Bradley testified it was headed to rendezvous with a larger vessel that itself was headed for Suriname.

Was Admiral Bradley lying?

[Ben_Natuf]

and you still have no idea where it was headed. You know only what they have decided to release

[JayJay]

@Samm

@tnt

@bigtwnvin

There are hundreds of thousands of American parents, spouses, siblings, children and friends who have lost family members and friends to illegal drug overdoses or perhaps the violence associated with the drug trade. I’m betting these people could give a rats ass about some of these conversations. And the politicians seizing on the TDS word salads du jour? Why are they giving the impression their “defense” of drug traffickers is justified? Are they receiving compensation of some kind from drug cartels?

Why aren’t we summarily executing the people on the corners selling the drugs?

Because that is not permitted under our laws and the Constitution.

But you knew that.

Neither is what we are doing now.

But you also knew that.

[Ben_Natuf]

@JayJay

He can’t do it. He has no delegated power or authority that lets him do it.

he has an enumerated power that says he can repel OR prevent an incursion.