The "national emergency" in the context of Constitutional Governance

[Plasmaball]

The house hostage…lol…ok

[BlueTex]

@Optrader

As I suggested, why not ask the border agents directy? Why doesn’t the speaker of the house go down to the border herself and talk directly to the agents? We both know why, you’re just to partisan to admit it: because Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer know that the border agents would tell them to build the wall because they work! No way Nancy and Chuckie would EVER be seen on camera being told that by the agents. Their plausible deniability would be shot and their brain dead followers would die of sudden reality shock…

Why not also ask them if they need a 50% raise? I’m more inclined to listen to experts who can back up their opinions with data.

[JayJay]

The border agents do not think we need a sea to sea border wall.

When you dig into their answers, you find they want what we’ve been building towards all along…barriers in strategic locations.

[Optrader]

@BlueTex

@Optrader

As I suggested, why not ask the border agents directy? Why doesn’t the speaker of the house go down to the border herself and talk directly to the agents? We both know why, you’re just to partisan to admit it: because Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer know that the border agents would tell them to build the wall because they work! No way Nancy and Chuckie would EVER be seen on camera being told that by the agents. Their plausible deniability would be shot and their brain dead followers would die of sudden reality shock…

Why not also ask them if they need a 50% raise? I’m more inclined to listen to experts who can back up their opinions with data.

Well of course you are. We can’t expect the guys doing the job to be expert than those Washington Bureaucrats now can we? Especially the ones that have never been to the border. In Pelosi we trust…

[madasheck]

@BillBrown

@BillBrown

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@TheDoctorIsIn

That’s an opinion piece by a New York Times Op-Ed author in 1990. Not “the intent of the Founders”.

He quotes Madison - who, as President, sent the US Navy to Algiers to fight the Second Barbary War without Congress declaring war.

It’s a direct quote of Madison from the constitutional convention. It establishes intent.
I think you just want to argue and are not interested in the facts.
I’ll leave it to you.

It’s also almost 20 years old and was written about a president using war powers without Congressional authorization not misusing public funds for a stupid wall.

And you left out the last sentence.

The President should be reminded that the Founders speak with a single voice on the lack of constitutional authority for him to start a war.

The sentence can also refer to the President’s lack of constitutional authority to use public funds without Congressional approval just as he has no right to declare a war.

[madasheck]

@peek-a-boo

But you aren’t looking at it with impartiality now are you?

You were presented with facts – all those who left the Trump admin. Nothing to dispute.

[madasheck]

@GWH

@madasheck

@peek-a-boo

Yep! When all else fails, the ole Trump is a clueless maroon meme.

So how many have resigned, left or been fired from the Trump admin. in two years? Sounds like a clueless maroon to me and anyone who looks at it with any impartiality.

Trump administration and orbit: List of all departures, firings and resignations

You hear in color?

Tell that to peek. He used the word first.

[madasheck]

@peek-a-boo

You are putting words in my mouth.

Invoking a National Emergency under the National Emergency Act isn’t breaking the law. If congress doesn’t agree they can vote to deny the President’s action. Again, no law is broken.

The courts have no business interfering. It is between the President and Congress.

If it’s not a national emergency they do. And this fake emergency is not.

[kingarthur65]

@Optrader

As I suggested, why not ask the border agents directy? Why doesn’t the speaker of the house go down to the border herself and talk directly to the agents? We both know why, you’re just to partisan to admit it: because Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer know that the border agents would tell them to build the wall because they work! No way Nancy and Chuckie would EVER be seen on camera being told that by the agents. Their plausible deniability would be shot and their brain dead followers would die of sudden reality shock…

Sounds like Nancy relies on the House members that are in those districts and those district members rely on their constituents. Constituents being the people that LIVE there… Apparently those people dont want Trump’s wall. Do those residents have an opposing view to your border agents?

The border agents I know, want more money for agents and technology at the ports of entry.

[GWH]

Actually, Bugs Bunny used it first.

[Optrader]

@JayJay

The border agents do not think we need a sea to sea border wall.

When you dig into their answers, you find they want what we’ve been building towards all along…barriers in strategic locations.

I think this has been made clear. Putting barriers up where they are practical, not impossible. But the agents in the field know where they are needed.

[Samson_Corwell]

@BillBrown

@TheDoctorIsIn

John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and James Monroe all deployed troops into combat without a Congressional declaration of war.

Its tough to take your crystal ball as to the framer’s intent over their actual actions.

It’s not tough at all. Early presidents frequently violated the constitution. Jefferson’s Louisiana Purchase was unconstitutional and he admitted as much.

Perhaps that’s more of a demonstration of the impossibility of originalism.

[Optrader]

@kingarthur65

@Optrader

As I suggested, why not ask the border agents directy? Why doesn’t the speaker of the house go down to the border herself and talk directly to the agents? We both know why, you’re just to partisan to admit it: because Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer know that the border agents would tell them to build the wall because they work! No way Nancy and Chuckie would EVER be seen on camera being told that by the agents. Their plausible deniability would be shot and their brain dead followers would die of sudden reality shock…

Sounds like Nancy relies on the House members that are in those districts and those district members rely on their constituents. Constituents being the people that LIVE there… Apparently those people dont want Trump’s wall. Do those residents have an opposing view to your border agents?

The border agents I know, want more money for agents and technology at the ports of entry.

Total crap. The congressman are partisans more concerned with serving Pelosi than the public. Don’t misunderstand and think I am only accusing Democrats of partisan politics. Anymore that’s all we get out of DC from both sides, admit it…

If the majority of agents and the people who lived on the border did not want the wall, Nancy Pelosi would be down there holding news conferences and interviewing them on camera just to rub it in Trump’s face. THAT would stop Trump and cost him the 2020 election. She knows very well the wall is exactly what us wanted and needed and Trump will win in 2020 if he gets it built. THAT is why almost 100% of Democrats in Congress are not supporting it, even when most did when Obama was in office.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Well, that depends.

There are flavors of originalism.

Textualism seeks to have the Constitution and laws read as plain English. Their meaning is determined by the words.

Intentionalism, on the other hand, seeks to have the Constitution and laws interpreted as the aurhors intended.

I disagree on a philosophical level with textualism, but I respect it as a real position. Intentionalism is nonsense.

Scalia was a textualist. Thomas is an intentionalist.

[Chris]

There is already hundreds of miles of fencing and vehicle barriers along the southern border.

[Samson_Corwell]

@TheDoctorIsIn

Well, that depends.

There are flavors of originalism.

Textualism seeks to have the Constitution and laws read as plain English. Their meaning is determined by the words.

Intentionalism, on the other hand, seeks to have the Constitution and laws interpreted as the aurhors intended.

I disagree on a philosophical level with textualism, but I respect it as a real position. Intentionalism is nonsense.

Scalia was a textualist. Thomas is an intentionalist.

The particular viewpoint that my suggestion comes from suggests that both textualism and originalism are ontologically impossible.

[BigBear]

@Optrader

@kingarthur65

@Optrader

As I suggested, why not ask the border agents directy? Why doesn’t the speaker of the house go down to the border herself and talk directly to the agents? We both know why, you’re just to partisan to admit it: because Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer know that the border agents would tell them to build the wall because they work! No way Nancy and Chuckie would EVER be seen on camera being told that by the agents. Their plausible deniability would be shot and their brain dead followers would die of sudden reality shock…

Sounds like Nancy relies on the House members that are in those districts and those district members rely on their constituents. Constituents being the people that LIVE there… Apparently those people dont want Trump’s wall. Do those residents have an opposing view to your border agents?

The border agents I know, want more money for agents and technology at the ports of entry.

Total crap. The congressman are partisans more concerned with serving Pelosi than the public. Don’t misunderstand and think I am only accusing Democrats of partisan politics. Anymore that’s all we get out of DC from both sides, admit it…

If the majority of agents and the people who lived on the border did not want the wall, Nancy Pelosi would be down there holding news conferences and interviewing them on camera just to rub it in Trump’s face. THAT would stop Trump and cost him the 2020 election. She knows very well the wall is exactly what us wanted and needed and Trump will win in 2020 if he gets it built. THAT is why almost 100% of Democrats in Congress are not supporting it, even when most did when Obama was in office.

You don’t seem to realize, as you’re apparently an addict / victim of right-wing opinion media, that the Trump “wall” is nothing more than a stupid campaign promise, and not an actual well thought out, well vetted idea, much less a plan.

The bolded is factually incorrect, and you don’t know it because you listen to the right-wing liars, and believe. Dig in to the facts, and you’ll learn something: there was never support for Trump’s The Wall - only for strategically placed barriers, as have been funded by Congress, and implemented. Allow me to suggest that you’ll be more comfortable dealing in facts and reality.

[biggestal99]

Exactly. Pelosi got the majority of House votes and become speaker

She’s not 1/435. She’s 1/1.

That’s why she was standing above the president during the SOTU.

Allan

[johnwk2]

@JayJay

For the last time, I explained with the details in the post that you deliberately cut out when you responded.

For the last time, if you want to have a conversation with me, you will go back to the part of my post where I explained why a wall does not support the military, and why your example of drig cartels is irrelevant because it’s not the job of the military to stop the cartels.

No. You did not explain what your post had to do with what I wrote.

You wrote: “The military is not a law enforcement agency.” That has nothing to do with what I wrote and you responded to which was:

I suppose these six illegal alien drug cartel members was also staged.

JWK

Karl Marx popularized the word “capitalism” __ a word unknown to our founders’ __ to attack the free market system our founders created. Why do so many talking heads refer to our system as “capitalism” rather than a free market system which our founders created? Do they despise the word “free’ like Marx did?

[JayJay]

Which is by and large what has been going on since at least 2006.