The Fourth Circuit makes a narrow, but correct decision regarding the 1872 Amnesty Act

Cawthorn may be gone, but the case lives on, as a resolution of this issue must occur before a potential Trump rematch in 2024.

A three Judge panel of the Fourth Circuit, in a very narrowly written decision, overturned the trial court Judge on the issue of the Amnesty Act of 1872.

The Fourth Circuit reached the absolute commonsense result that was missed by the trial Judge.

The Amnesty Act of 1872 is NOT, nor can it be prospective. It granted relief from the provisions of 14.3 and restored their right to run for office. It did NOT repeal 14.3. Nor did it relieve FUTURE OFFENDERS from the provisions of 14.3.

Only a future Constitutional Amendment can permanently repeal 14.3.

The Congress in 1872 currently only INTENDED that the Amnesty Act apply to Civil War offenders.

And even if that Congress’s intention was to grant PROSPECTIVE relief, that prospective relief would have been unconstitutional. You cannot grant amnesty for a crime not yet committed.

Note: The court used the recurring controversies doctrine to avoid the mootness potentially caused by Cawthorn’s loss. Potentially, the appeals court could have sent the case back to the trial court to vacate its decision for mootness. But because this issue is a potentially recurring issue, particularly in 2024, it is moving forward.

The court only addressed this one issue from the trial court’s ruling, but it was an important issue.

I would note the one Judge who concurred in the judgement, but not in the opinion, would have dismissed the case entirely for lack of jurisdiction, which would effectively have let North Carolina election procedures continue.

The two majority Judges also noted that it is commonsense that States can enforce electoral qualifications, barring those under the required age, non residents, etc., from the ballot. If they can enforce those qualifications, then, commonsense, they can enforce 14.3.

wrong decision.

while the amnesty act did only provide for civil war offenders, the act itself is unconstitutional. no law can suspend what the constitution requires. the constitution demands that those who take part in insurrection be disqualified, no law can lift that disqualification

that said, no states cannot declare an insurrection that did not happen to preclude a candidate from running who didn’t insurrect against anything in the non existant insurrection. if there was an insurrection against the united states it is the federal government that has the jurisdiction and duty to put it down and prosecute the criminals involved. short of that, there is no insurrection. you can no more assume a person insurrected without due process than you can assume guilt for any other law.

And that is why the 14th Amendment, section 3 states:

"But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability" from a person

. . who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

The text is very clear. Now, what was intended by those words as established from those who framed and helped to ratify the 14th Amendment?

JWK

Well actually… Please review the last sentence in 14.3.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

The Amnesty Act of 1872 passed with the required two-thirds votes.

WW

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i stand corrected.

it doesn’t change anything regarding hawthorne. there was no insurrection for him to take part in

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Indeed. An “insurrection” would involve something like a bunch of folks swinging from trees on the mall, or an effort to hang them, not merely people entering the capitol building, many let in by staff.

Never forget how understanding the deep state was over actual riots in DC in 2017 … they may as well have given the rioters a cookie and warm milk they were so forgiving.

The shadow government was very much visible in embracing those rioters.

JWK