Spying on Citizens-Your Gubermint At Work

[Nemesis]

Welcome.

[WuWei]

To what?

[Samm]

@Whocares

If I remember correctly, weren’t those against the Patriot Act seen as unpatriotic?

How could you remember correctly what transpired here back then? You haven’t even been here a month.

… or have you?

[Whocares]

Ever hear of talk radio and pundit shows on the tube? There’s a big world out there…lol

[Samm]

@Nemesis

@Samm

@Nemesis

@vaard

“if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about”
-groups that now have something to worry about

Ha I remember being quoted that very line by our conservative friends on this very forum when I objected to the Patriot Act.

Sure you do.

Indeed I do. Why it sticks out in my mind is that a well known poster who is no longer here threatened to report to me to the FBI when I made an obviously tongue in cheek comment.

Are you saying the prevailing conservative right wing view in the esrpy noughties was not gung ho for the wars in the ME and the Patriot Act? If so they you are deluding yourself.

Well, I’ve only been on this Forum for twenty years, so perhaps there were other views expressed here by conservatives before then.

[Samm]

@Whocares

Ever hear of talk radio and pundit shows on the tube? There’s a big world out there…lol

@vaard was talking about people on this forum. So were you.

[Whocares]

@Samm

So were you.

I was?..Tell me, what am I doing and thinking now? I’m curious, I might be doing/ thinking the wrong thing…lol

[WuWei]

It was obvious. It’s ok, everybody knows you were here before.

[Samm]

@Whocares

@Samm

So were you.

I was?..Tell me, what am I doing and thinking now? I’m curious, I might be doing/ thinking the wrong thing…lol

You’re not going to cry, are you? I would feel really bad about that.

[tnt]

@WuWei

I will freely admit I was on board at the Patriot Act time due to the nature of the threat.

I was duly chastized by @conan and saw the light.

I was a war mongering murderous thug who wanted, nay needed, revenge for what had been done to my country.

I am now a liberal, a philospher, sage and wizard, and I see my error. I see the consequences of surrendering to the greater threat of the bureaucrats in the very government that is supposed to protect my rights and willfully refuses to do so.

Nah. You weren’t all wrong about the PA and you weren’t all right.

These things aren’t black and white. And it’s childish to think the government shouldn’t - sometimes - use technological advances to surveil against ever changing and technologically advancing threats.

It’s a case by case thing. Governing in the 21st century isn’t easy.

[WuWei]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[tnt]

@WuWei

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

A lot of things in the PA passed constitutional muster.

Is there a suit against the issue in the OP?

Case by case.

[WuWei]

Did they?

[conan]

Terrorist attacks don’t worry me…it’s what our government would want to do afterwards that scares me.

[WuWei]

@conan

Terrorist attacks don’t worry me…it’s what our government would want to do afterwards that scares me.

And what it is doing now. Flooding my country with Venezuelan thugs.

[conan]

@WuWei

And what it is doing now. Flooding my country with Venezuelan thugs.

Creating that very condition for more violations.

[WuWei]

Exactly. “We need it to keep safe! Give us the money!”

[WuWei]

Good job, dumbasses

House unveils new warrantless surveillance bill

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/4463961-house-unveils-warrantless-surveillance-bill/