Being forced to give the fruits of your labor to another without just compensation for an ongoing, indefinite time is slavery no matter how much you pretend to think otherwise.
johnwk2:Direct federal taxes, which are not apportioned, are not legal.
JWK
So stop paying them and head to court to fight it.
It is the threat by the government to apply its authority under the law to punish you for not “volunteering” to give them a portion of your income that makes it involuntary servitude, i.e. slavery. You can put lipstick on a pig … but it’s still a pig.
Samm: mobulis: Samm:What is it then?
Working…
Yeah … for the benefit of someone else. Thats why it’s called slavery.
Slavery is forced labor. Neither welfare or taxation are forced labor. Try again.
That’s one definition of slavery. The fact the you can avoid paying taxes on your labor by not laboring is immaterial to the fact that being forced by law to give up the fruits of your labor is a form of slavery.
Samm:Nope, they are volunteering their labor. Try not volunteering to pay your taxes and see how it works out for you.
Try not respect property rights and see what happens.
Immaterial to the discussion.
Samm:Correct. Otherwise known as involuntary servitude.
The OP is a complete lost cause - he believes (among other bizarre things) the retirees getting Social Security are “free cheese eaters” - but I’m surprised at the confusion you seem to have regarding the definition of slavery and of involuntary servitude. Paying taxes is neither.
It’s your prerogative to believe that. The fact that you must give the government a portion of your labor or go to jail means you are in their servitude. You are enslaved to them.
It is the threat by the government to apply its authority under the law to punish you for not “volunteering” to give them a portion of your income that makes it involuntary servitude, i.e. slavery. You can put lipstick on a pig … but it’s still a pig.
How droll.
it’s legal for the government to collect taxes. It’s also legal for the government to punish you when you don’t. I
It’s not slavery. It’s part of a social contract we accept in society.
But I expect you to continue to argue the semantics of it from now until eternity. Have fun!
Gaius:“The essence of all slavery consists in taking the product of another’s labor by force. It is immaterial whether this force be founded upon ownership of the slave or ownership of the money that he must get to live.”
- Leo Tolstoy
What an idiot. He’d never make it here.
It’s a ridiculous definition of slavery.
Yet there it is.
I think too many of you here seem to think slavery is only what we were taught in grade school about Africans being captured by their enemies and sold to pick cotton in America. Unfortunately, that was just the tip of the iceberg, and a good portion of the remainder still exists today all around the world.
Samson_Corwell: Samm: mobulis: Samm:What is it then?
Working…
Yeah … for the benefit of someone else. Thats why it’s called slavery.
Slavery is forced labor. Neither welfare or taxation are forced labor. Try again.
That’s one definition of slavery. The fact the you can avoid paying taxes on your labor by not laboring is immaterial to the fact that being forced by law to give up the fruits of your labor is a form of slavery.
Begging the question. I’m the normal one here, you’re not.
Samm: mobulis: Samm:Self imposed slavery is still slavery.
No its not.
What is it then?
The price we pay for living in a civilized society.
So you agree, we are slaves to our government. It may be legal and Constitutional, but it is a form of slavery nonetheless.
Samson_Corwell: Gaius:“The essence of all slavery consists in taking the product of another’s labor by force. It is immaterial whether this force be founded upon ownership of the slave or ownership of the money that he must get to live.”
- Leo Tolstoy
What an idiot. He’d never make it here.
It’s a ridiculous definition of slavery.
Yet there it is.
I think too many of you here seem to think slavery is only what we were taught in grade school about Africans being captured by their enemies and sold to pick cotton in America. Unfortunately, that was just the tip of the iceberg, and a good portion of the remainder still exists today all around the world.
You are correct. It remains in the form of prison labor, labor camps, sexual trafficking, and debt peonage. Not income taxation!
Samm:It is the threat by the government to apply its authority under the law to punish you for not “volunteering” to give them a portion of your income that makes it involuntary servitude, i.e. slavery. You can put lipstick on a pig … but it’s still a pig.
How droll.
it’s legal for the government to collect taxes. It’s also legal for the government to punish you when you don’t. I
It’s not slavery. It’s part of a social contract we accept in society.
But I expect you to continue to argue the semantics of it from now until eternity. Have fun!
Prior to 1860, the kind of slavery that you are talking about was legal too. The law does not matter to the definition, it only affects the resulting action. In other words, legalizing the usurping of our labor by the government does not change the definition. We are enslaved to them.
Samson_Corwell: Samm:Nope, they are volunteering their labor. Try not volunteering to pay your taxes and see how it works out for you.
Try not respect property rights and see what happens.
Immaterial to the discussion.
Very material.
In other words, legalizing the usurping of our labor by the government does not change the definition.
No definition of the term “slavery” includes taxation.
Begging the question. I’m the normal one here, you’re not.
What is normal? Are left handed people normal? How about blonds and green eyed people? How about green eyed, left handed blonds? What percent of the population do you guess they might be?
Being of the minority opinion does not make one abnormal. You really ought to know that.
Samson_Corwell:Begging the question. I’m the normal one here, you’re not.
What is normal? Are left handed people normal? How about blonds and green eyed people? How about green eyed, left handed blonds? What percent of the population do you guess they might be?
Being of the minority opinion does not make one abnormal. You really ought to know that.
Right, being outside the norm makes one abnormal.
The burden of proof is on you, not me.
Tolstoy was also calling the employer-employee relationship a form of slavery.
You are correct. It remains in the form of prison labor, labor camps, sexual trafficking, and debt peonage. Not income taxation!
So you believe.
As has been said before, try not “voluntarily” handing over a percentage of your income to the master and see what they do to you … slave.
It’s your prerogative to believe that. The fact that you must give the government a portion of your labor or go to jail means you are in their servitude. You are enslaved to them.
So you don’t think you should pay for govt serices.
Samm: Samson_Corwell:Begging the question. I’m the normal one here, you’re not.
What is normal? Are left handed people normal? How about blonds and green eyed people? How about green eyed, left handed blonds? What percent of the population do you guess they might be?
Being of the minority opinion does not make one abnormal. You really ought to know that.
Right, being outside the norm makes one abnormal.
The burden of proof is on you, not me.
Tolstoy was also calling the employer-employee relationship a form of slavery.
There is no proof necessary. It is intuitively obvious that being normal is not the same as being in the majority.
Samm:It’s your prerogative to believe that. The fact that you must give the government a portion of your labor or go to jail means you are in their servitude. You are enslaved to them.
So you don’t think you should pay for govt serices.
Nope. I don’t think that.
Tolstoy was also calling the employer-employee relationship a form of slavery.
… in Tolstoy’s day, it was.