Yes they do.
No they don’t, we do.
Samson_Corwell:I am sure that the feminists that believe all sex is violence and/or rape have said something like that: “Your strict adherence to the traditional definition of rape shows a distinct lack of indepedent thought unhindered by the blinders of patriarchy.”.
What I am lacking is your creative thinking.
I’m glad that you finally understand your limitations.
It wasn’t a compliment. I’m calling your thinking “creative” because of your propensity to see truth where none exists. That requires a creative imagination.
Samson_Corwell: Samm: mobulis: Samm:If you are being forced by an entity that holds power over you, to share the fruits of your labor with them against your will, you are enslaved to them. That is perfectly logical.
By the way, “what if” arguments are pretty lame.
So patents and copyrights are slavery.
Nope. They are protection of intellectual property.
I would ask you to explain how you arrived at that response to my post, but we all know it would be a waste of time.
Holy ■■■■■ Mobulis actually made a knockdown argument.
So you think patents and copyrights are slavery are the equivalent to involuntary (coerced by intimidation of power) taxation? I would have never guessed that your thinking would ever be on par with Mob’s.
It’s not that my thinking is on par with Mobulis’ thinking. His thinking just happens for once to be on par with mine. And he probably got that from me because I made that point earlier in this thread though I had forgotten that when I made that remark about his reply to you.
I’m supportive of intellectual property, but I don’t actually think it is property. You probably just regard it as property because that’s probably how you’ve been raised to think about it. I don’t think you have actually reflected on the nature of intellectual property.
Someone British judge in the nineteenth century—the time when copyright really began to develop—argued against copyright on the grounds that it was, at least how he saw it, a tax on consumers. I don’t think that that is true, but people are compelled to pay copyright holders for something that could otherwise be used freely.
If he likes California so much he should move there instead of trying to make NJ into a little CA.
What a stupid response. He couldn’t like California so much that he thinks New Jersey should be like California? Honestly, this remark is the hallmark of non-thinkers.
Samm: Samson_Corwell:I am sure that the feminists that believe all sex is violence and/or rape have said something like that: “Your strict adherence to the traditional definition of rape shows a distinct lack of indepedent thought unhindered by the blinders of patriarchy.”.
What I am lacking is your creative thinking.
I’m glad that you finally understand your limitations.
It wasn’t a compliment. I’m calling your thinking “creative” because of your propensity to see truth where none exists. That requires a creative imagination.
It actually does not. It only requires a broader understanding of what it means to be enslaved.
I’m supportive of intellectual property, but I don’t actually think it is property. You probably just regard it as property because that’s probably how you’ve been raised to think about it. I don’t think you have actually reflected on the nature of intellectual property.
Someone British judge in the nineteenth century—the time when copyright really began to develop—argued against copyright on the grounds that it was, at least how he saw it, a tax on consumers. I don’t think that that is true, but people are compelled to pay copyright holders for something that could otherwise be used freely.
Spoken like someone who has never invented or created anything of value.
No they don’t, we do
How does that work?
Mobilus and Samson are crushing it in this thread.
Ol’ Samson’s become one of the grumpiest posters around here. Whew!
Samson_Corwell: Samm: Samson_Corwell:Let’s imagine a world where no one owns anything, either individually or jointly. You make something from wood, but it remains unowned. Are you a slave? If not, then there is no reason to think taxation is slavery. If you say you are a slave in my scenario, then your capacity for reasoning is broken.
If you are being forced by an entity that holds power over you, to share the fruits of your labor with them against your will, you are enslaved to them. That is perfectly logical.
By the way, “what if” arguments are pretty lame.
It simply isn’t one of slavery’s characteristics.
By the conventional “plantation” definition of slavery, you are right.
Get out of your box.
Slavery has to do with owning another person as property. If you are not property of another, you are not a slave.
Ol’ Samson’s become one of the grumpiest posters around here. Whew!
Its like arguing with creationists and flat earthers. They say they are open to challenges and they will go away as soon as someone discredits their position, outside a few, they never do. The flat earth society has been completely debunked yet they will not go away, beginning to see similarities?
Samm:No they don’t, we do
How does that work?
It starts out “We the people … “ and goes on from there.
Mobilus and Samson are crushing it in this thread.
I love irony.
Samm: Samson_Corwell: Samm: Samson_Corwell:Let’s imagine a world where no one owns anything, either individually or jointly. You make something from wood, but it remains unowned. Are you a slave? If not, then there is no reason to think taxation is slavery. If you say you are a slave in my scenario, then your capacity for reasoning is broken.
If you are being forced by an entity that holds power over you, to share the fruits of your labor with them against your will, you are enslaved to them. That is perfectly logical.
By the way, “what if” arguments are pretty lame.
It simply isn’t one of slavery’s characteristics.
By the conventional “plantation” definition of slavery, you are right.
Get out of your box.
Slavery has to do with owning another person as property. If you are not property of another, you are not a slave.
That’s one definition. Being forever unwillingly beholden to someone who has power over you is another.
That’s one definition. Being forever unwillingly beholden to someone who has power over you is another.
By that definition you are not a slave.
It starts out “We the people … “ and goes on from there.
No it doesn’t, the govt owns what it buys with tax money.
SixFoot:Ol’ Samson’s become one of the grumpiest posters around here. Whew!
Its like arguing with creationists and flat earthers. They say they are open to challenges and they will go away as soon as someone discredits their position, outside a few, they never do. The flat earth society has been completely debunked yet they will not go away, beginning to see similarities?
John, to his credit, has actually put forth an argument (which I still eed to get to). Samm just keeps telling me that my problem is that I am not using a “broad enough” definition of “slavery”. Well, that’s the point in contention. Curiously, the problem with deniers of patriarchy is that they fail to use a broad enough definition of rape that includes all sex.
Murphy was very upfront with his policies and taxes that would be implemented.
its NO SURPRISE to Jerseyites. only people who dont live here.
Allan
As a New Jersey Turnpike employee, will it surprise you when I get a new contract with 8 years of retro pay? Because that’s going to be on the table.
How will it be paid For?
Weed tax?
Allan