So why haven't the arbiters of racism denounced Darwin?

[Bomberfox]

@WildRose

Once again, I am not a creationist.

Let’s make this easy, if you can’t have an adult conversation absent all of the childish insults and BS go bother someone else. You don’t even understand the most basic concepts of life or what it would take to create it.

Yes you are, otherwise why maintain this conversation to the lengths you have?

[Borgia]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Borgia_dude_dude

@Call_me_Ishmael

@ImRightYoureWrong

Here we have Christians comparing GOD to a bottle of doctor pepper hahahahaha pathetic. SLAVERY. Seems like a pretty important thing, maybe even more important than coveting your neighbor. But, nope, meh it’s just slavery

your values and your understanding of slavery is not God’s. Even the Jews were slaves to the Egyptians and it was for their own protection. Only when the Egyptians mistreated them did all hell break loose.

It sounds like you are making an argument for slavery. See what dark corners your fundamentalist beliefs push you into?

see what your ridiculous ideology has made you say.

Dude, you’re the one that seems to be saying slavery was fine until the Hebrews were mistreated. Do you want me to quote you?

Even the Jews were slaves to the Egyptians and it was for their own protection. Only when the Egyptians mistreated them did all hell break loose.

[Borgia]

Entirely random? Are you kidding? Each process is 100% independent of every other process. Not likely but it does display a typical creationist understanding of probability calculations.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Bomberfox

@WildRose

Once again, I am not a creationist.

Let’s make this easy, if you can’t have an adult conversation absent all of the childish insults and BS go bother someone else. You don’t even understand the most basic concepts of life or what it would take to create it.

Yes you are, otherwise why maintain this conversation to the lengths you have?

ahhh… typical lib: if you ain’t for us, you are against us.

[Borgia]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Borgia_dude_dude

Sounds like God was a racist, thinking some races shouldn’t be subject to permanent enslavement while others should be.

what race has not been enslaved at one time or another?

We are talking about God’s law. Not man’s. God said only Israelites were not subject to permanent enslavement.

[BornAgainChristian]

@adroit

@BornAgainChristian

Cognitive dissonance prevents your acknowledging reality, only a few Southerners had slaves therefore when they fought they did so for OTHER reasons.

Chief among them was the feeling their state was their country, and it was akin to “nationalism” to fight for their home state. For most, it wasn’t about slaves. And there are accounts where Southerners fought even they they hated slavery.

That’s irrelevant. Those in power - the ones who did own slaves - are the ones who seceded. That is the cause of the war. Once seceded and the war started, why individuals fought is moot. The reason it all started in the first place is because those who held the reins of power in the South wanted to hold on to their chattel.

Not irrelevant to your original statement “without slavery…it all crumbles”

Many would have fought for other reasons, to them it was about “HOME” “FAMILY” “COUNTRY”.

They didn’t see the UNITED STATES as their country, they saw their state as their country and Washington like the English see Brussels and the EU bureaucrats.

[BornAgainChristian]

@Borgia_dude_dude

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Borgia_dude_dude

Sounds like God was a racist, thinking some races shouldn’t be subject to permanent enslavement while others should be.

what race has not been enslaved at one time or another?

We are talking about God’s law. Not man’s. God said only Israelites were not subject to permanent enslavement.

Not racial, God had a covenant treaty with Israel, not other nations.

[WildRose]

Seriously, take a few moments to think.

What are the probabilities for.

The formation of the earth itself.

The earth having the exact basic constituent chemicals required present.

That the earth parked itself at exactly the right distance from the sun to even have a habitable zone at all.

That all of the required pre biotic constituents then came together randomly at exactly the right moment, under exactly the right conditions, to not only form primitive polymers but to do so with enough regularly to eventually under again even more specifically limited conditions as to form the first self replicating polimer, and that from there, we get to the first primitive form of life that then due to another set of astronomically improbable events gets to the first single celled self replicating life form not dependent on some unseen, guiding force creating the perfect conditions for it to replicate?

Don’t just go searching for a quick gotcha answer on the net, use your own brain and think about it.

[WildRose]

You don’t dictate my beliefs or my reason for engaging in a discussion. I am not a creationist, never have been because there is no evidence to support the idea that all life began as modern plants, animals, etc.

[WildRose]

None of which could have created the conditions necessary on their own for it to all come together and create life.

You can’t even get to the creation of matter and energy without some force we cannot even imagine to understand kickstarting the process.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

Lol says the guy whose only response is “goddidit”. No, but wait you were just complaining aboit a successful experiment that provided evidence. You are all over the place

[ImRightYoureWrong]

That isn’t all random chance my God how many times does this need to be explained to you. What are the chances that 500trillion atoms in a glass of water and oil will form to have the oil on top? Omgz big number, so randomz

[ImRightYoureWrong]

Ahhh there it is…cant win the abiogenesis so now you’re moving to the big bang and total cosmic creation

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@WildRose

never have been because there is no evidence to support the idea that all life began as modern plants, animals, etc.

Nobody is making the claim that all life began as plants and animals. Please leave.

[WildRose]

I didn’t complain about it I showed you the problem with claiming such and experiment proved anything relative to abiogenesis.

The success of the experiment is entirely dependent on a lab built by people under extremely carefully controlled conditions by someone putting exactly the right inorganic materials together under exactly the right circumstances to produce a primitive polymer.

[WildRose]

Creationism claims exactly that. Try keeping up with your own idiotic statements and it will be less confusing.[quote=“ImRightYoureWrong, post:835, topic:2402, full:true”]
That isn’t all random chance my God how many times does this need to be explained to you. What are the chances that 500trillion atoms in a glass of water and oil will form to have the oil on top? Omgz big number, so randomz
[/quote]

They don’t have to organize themselves, they are already organized and under the same conditions you get the same result every time.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

Yes. It’s called an expirement. Using the real world. It’s called evidence. Not a fantasy bible passage.

[WildRose]

I’m not quoting any bible passages.

Are you lost?

[ImRightYoureWrong]

Yes. You see that’s how chemistry works. You’re doing better wild rose. Don’t forget WR that abiogenesis starts at chemistry!

[ImRightYoureWrong]

You’re entire basis is goddidit so you may as well