So it begins - Trump Organization, CFO Weisselberg charged with fraud and tax crimes

[tnt]

@Camp

No. Latsha James through a big part of her budget at a political case and all she got was a missed tax on a benefit.

Not even newsworthy really

lol.

Bill Clinton cheated on his wife and you guys flipped out for two decades. And that’s not even a crime!

Trump cheats on his taxes, and you don’t care.

lol.

[DisturbedGuy]

@tnt

@Camp

No. Latsha James through a big part of her budget at a political case and all she got was a missed tax on a benefit.

Not even newsworthy really

lol.

Bill Clinton cheated on his wife and you guys flipped out for two decades. And that’s not even a crime!

Trump cheats on his taxes, and you don’t care.

lol.

He’s a great resourceful businessman.

[Paul_Do]

@YOSUP

@Dem

@YOSUP

@Camp

It is absolutely comical.

Four years and this is all they have lol! If this was anyone but Trump it be pay the back taxes and call it day!

This is just the beginning. It’s like a mob investigation, you get the capos to get to the boss.

Lol keep the faith! Tish with other cases has shown political bias as posters have shown.

Lol bias, people are locked up for smoking weed or other drugs but stealing millions, that’s the real victimless crime.

[Paul_Do]

@ResPrivita

Hemlock please…
I suspect this post to be removed quickly, but here goes…
Oh, and if not hopefully no typo’s will be inserted later; to make me look dumb of course, please don’t do that.
Just pass the damned Hemlock already will Ya’.

OK, while FOX news covers the Britney Legal saga, the Trump Legal one goes wholly ignored.
Ok I get it, but it is news worthy, come on Sean…

I’m going to speak truth here as it is, rather than I see it, and not about any guilt or innocence, but rather legal process.

One word, “DISCOVERY”, Discovery people!
What is Discovery?
Watching, and hearing all the great legal minds pontificate about this matter; CNN.
I found myself having a, “Seriously, are you kidding me,” moment; as I often have lately when watching CNN legal minds bloviate on this Trump legal matter.
Are there any legal minds there that actually have taken a case to trial?

What ever ones opinion is about this legal matter, this, “small time” legal case, it really is just getting started.
If Trump Family did not do anything wrong then they will be fine, but if they did, then well that’s a horse of another color, jumpsuit orange.
And this is why.

Top New York Prosecutor initially wanted Trump on various criminal charges related to falsifying documents for ill gotten enrichment, but Weisellburg wouldn’t play along with the Prosecutor to that end.
So Trump Org., and Weisellburg now are being charged criminally for a “so called minor” infraction.
Now, there is an actual criminal case, and Weisellburg has pled,”not guilty” to it.
Now they move to trial.
The next phase in any criminal trial is… Discovery… good you remembered.
Discovery is mandatory.
Discovery is where both sides show the each other the evidence they have to convict or exonerate etc…
It’s a, you show me yours, and I’ll show you mine kinda’ deal.
In this case the Prosecutor will ask for all kinds of tax related documents, as this is essentially a tax fraud case, and Trump Org., and Weisellburg will have to comply.
They can ignore it for about 30 days, but a motion to compel will happen, and the Judge will order they comply with Prosecutions documents request.
And they can still refuse, then a “good cause” motion will be filed asking the Judge to insert a forensic body directly into Trump Org., and Weisellburg to get the legally required, and requested documents, and what ever else they just so happen to find.
In short a trial now is happening, compelling Discovery, even by Compulsory Process if needed, and ALL of Trump Orgs. tax records will be made available to the New York Prosecutors Office.
If any other criminal activity is then “Discovered” therein, like those pertaining to the Prosecutors initial claims of criminality, then it will be jumpsuit orange time.

All the pundints, and even some legal scholars seem clueless as to how a trial actually moves through a court.
Discovery is no joke.
Discovery can be done in less than 90 days.
If there is no other there, there, then the Trump family will be fine. If there is some other criminal matter that is “Discovered”, via “Discovery” then it will be prosecuted separately.

This, “minor charge” nonsense, is just not accurate.
This minor charge is the entrada’ this Prosecutor needs, and quite frankly has always had, if Weisellburg wouldn’t play ball.

I don’t know New Yorks records standards for ongoing criminal proceedings, but these Discoverable documents might be publicly purveyed in real time.

I made no assertion of guilt, or innocence, but rather have laid out a legal frame work for getting the tax documents Trump has always kept close the vest, and is through this coming “Discovery” phase.

I know, I know, now the Hemlock, please…

Great post. A+

[Paul_Do]

@DisturbedGuy

@TheDoctorIsIn

@DougBH

Maybe they need to see if he mowed someone’s lawn in exchange for washing his car but didn’t report it. Off to jail!

You understand he’s accused of fraudulently avoiding nearly two million dollars in taxes, right?

That’s a lot of lawns.

LOL…ask Wesley Snipes how that works out.

Im sure these same people were froathing over Wesley getting 3 years in prison for the same thing

[JimmyC]

@DougBH

Exactly. How much comparable time have they spent going through the compensation records of other major corporations based in NY?

A lot, it seems

https://www.manhattanda.org/da-vance-manhattan-restaurateur-indicted-felony-tax-fraud/

https://www.manhattanda.org/da-vance-michael-shvo-and-companies-indicted-felony-tax-fraud/

https://www.manhattanda.org/da-vance-announces-criminal-charges-against-eight-defendants-oxycodone-gambling-and-ta/

https://www.manhattanda.org/da-vance-law-firm-partner-pleads-guilty-felony-tax-fraud/

[Paul_Do]

@DougBH

We are not cool with selective enforcement for political purposes.

Omg the irony

You 100% do want selective enforcement, Wesley snipes spent 3 years in prison for the same thing

[thinkingman]

political persecution plain and simple

do NOT cross democrats

[ResPrivita]

It really, really, is not about taxes.
It’s about fraud, falsifying anything, and everything to an end result of theft, massive theft; according to Prosecution.
The taxes are both the entrance, and the evidence; this Prosecutor is no dummy, and as I stated above, will be requested in the Discovery phase of this, now, very public criminal trial.
If Weisellburg pleads to something very quickly now, the case closes, before the Discovery phase can function, but it is too late now to do so, no doubt.
Any deal offered will be maximum etc… But prosecution has already entered into, and emerged from the plea stage with Weisellburg; as required, so there is no need to deal now at all, and I don’t think he will.
If there is no there, there, cool, it will be Discovered as such.
What ever the maximum is Weisellburg will get it, as he shows indignant indiffernce altogether.
When Prosecution puts a deal on the table, and nobody wants any then well, that’s it, kitchen is closed very very shortly there after.

[Dem]

@thinkingman

political persecution plain and simple

do NOT cross democrats

Pretty simple to avoid prosecution. Don’t commit crimes.

[STODR]

@Paul_Do

@DougBH

We are not cool with selective enforcement for political purposes.

Omg the irony

You 100% do want selective enforcement, Wesley snipes spent 3 years in prison for the same thing

They are not the same thing.

[Paul_Do]

@STODR

@Paul_Do

@DougBH

We are not cool with selective enforcement for political purposes.

Omg the irony

You 100% do want selective enforcement, Wesley snipes spent 3 years in prison for the same thing

They are not the same thing.

Ya they are What’s the difference? One was a black man and one is a white man who apperently many want to have a special white privilege to protect him from prosecution.

Good thing that doesn’t exist

[Axxowiz]

I’ll bet he runs again, I wish he wouldn’t but I think he will by like a 90% certainty unless his health gives out.

[STODR]

@Paul_Do

@STODR

@Paul_Do

@DougBH

We are not cool with selective enforcement for political purposes.

Omg the irony

You 100% do want selective enforcement, Wesley snipes spent 3 years in prison for the same thing

They are not the same thing.

Ya they are What’s the difference?

One is tax fraud the other was just not filing his taxes period, tax evasion.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@ResPrivita

If Weisellburg pleads to something very quickly now, the case closes, before the Discovery phase can function, but it is too late now to do so, no doubt.

In criminal trials, discovery is one-sided and only helps the defendant. The prosecution gets their evidence from subpoenas.

But aside from that, I agree.

[bigtwnvin]

Will he roll over on the Trump family or won’t he?

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@ResPrivita

Hemlock please…
I suspect this post to be removed quickly, but here goes…
Oh, and if not hopefully no typo’s will be inserted later; to make me look dumb of course, please don’t do that.
Just pass the damned Hemlock already will Ya’.

OK, while FOX news covers the Britney Legal saga, the Trump Legal one goes wholly ignored.
Ok I get it, but it is news worthy, come on Sean…

I’m going to speak truth here as it is, rather than I see it, and not about any guilt or innocence, but rather legal process.

One word, “DISCOVERY”, Discovery people!
What is Discovery?
Watching, and hearing all the great legal minds pontificate about this matter; CNN.
I found myself having a, “Seriously, are you kidding me,” moment; as I often have lately when watching CNN legal minds bloviate on this Trump legal matter.
Are there any legal minds there that actually have taken a case to trial?

What ever ones opinion is about this legal matter, this, “small time” legal case, it really is just getting started.
If Trump Family did not do anything wrong then they will be fine, but if they did, then well that’s a horse of another color, jumpsuit orange.
And this is why.

Top New York Prosecutor initially wanted Trump on various criminal charges related to falsifying documents for ill gotten enrichment, but Weisellburg wouldn’t play along with the Prosecutor to that end.
So Trump Org., and Weisellburg now are being charged criminally for a “so called minor” infraction.
Now, there is an actual criminal case, and Weisellburg has pled,”not guilty” to it.
Now they move to trial.
The next phase in any criminal trial is… Discovery… good you remembered.
Discovery is mandatory.
Discovery is where both sides show the each other the evidence they have to convict or exonerate etc…
It’s a, you show me yours, and I’ll show you mine kinda’ deal.
In this case the Prosecutor will ask for all kinds of tax related documents, as this is essentially a tax fraud case, and Trump Org., and Weisellburg will have to comply.
They can ignore it for about 30 days, but a motion to compel will happen, and the Judge will order they comply with Prosecutions documents request.
And they can still refuse, then a “good cause” motion will be filed asking the Judge to insert a forensic body directly into Trump Org., and Weisellburg to get the legally required, and requested documents, and what ever else they just so happen to find.
In short a trial now is happening, compelling Discovery, even by Compulsory Process if needed, and ALL of Trump Orgs. tax records will be made available to the New York Prosecutors Office.
If any other criminal activity is then “Discovered” therein, like those pertaining to the Prosecutors initial claims of criminality, then it will be jumpsuit orange time.

All the pundints, and even some legal scholars seem clueless as to how a trial actually moves through a court.
Discovery is no joke.
Discovery can be done in less than 90 days.
If there is no other there, there, then the Trump family will be fine. If there is some other criminal matter that is “Discovered”, via “Discovery” then it will be prosecuted separately.

This, “minor charge” nonsense, is just not accurate.
This minor charge is the entrada’ this Prosecutor needs, and quite frankly has always had, if Weisellburg wouldn’t play ball.

I don’t know New Yorks records standards for ongoing criminal proceedings, but these Discoverable documents might be publicly purveyed in real time.

I made no assertion of guilt, or innocence, but rather have laid out a legal frame work for getting the tax documents Trump has always kept close the vest, and is through this coming “Discovery” phase.

I know, I know, now the Hemlock, please…

Hey ya’ll, pay attention: this dude knows what he is talking about.

I would also amplify the fact that he has made no judgements on guilt, he just outlined the process and timeline.

[STODR]

@bigtwnvin

Will he roll over on the Trump family or won’t he?

I think they have a l ready tried that and he wouldn’t budge. But since he is being charged with fraud on benefits. Seems to me they had nothing and won’t be able to apply that to Trump.

[ResPrivita]

[quote=“TheDoctorIsIn, post:75, topic:239513”]
n criminal trials, discovery is one-sided and only helps the defendant. The prosecution gets their evidence from subpoenas.

Reciprocal…

Reciprocal discovery - Wikipedia

Sorry dear, this will be a full on test of “Discovery.”

Say it with me, R E C I P·R O·C A L…

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Axxowiz

I’ll bet he runs again, I wish he wouldn’t but I think he will by like a 90% certainty unless his health gives out.

For certain, he will play “will he or won’t he” to the absolute end in order to squeeze ever nickel out of the flock.

If ever there was a case for campaign finance reform and maybe even public funding, Trump is it