Should Biden renounce his support of neo-Nazis?

[Bill.in.PA]

US funding of the neo-Nazis ended in 2017 according the Nation article below, but they still have active militias there. Biden left a legacy.

Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine

That may be a factor in Biden winning the support of neo-Nazis.

White Supremacist Who Organized Charlottesville Race Riots Endorses Joe Biden

[Bill.in.PA]

Are Ukrainian neo-Nazis good, but American neo-Nazis are evil?

Should American neo-Nazis go to Ukraine to learn how to be the right kind of neo-Nazi?

Maybe Ukrainians know how to keep their veins from bulging.

[johnwk2]

@jcrandall

I disagree. It is merely simple minded projection to shift focus from one crappy person to another,.

So tell me. Should Biden renounce his support of neo-Nazis?

JWK

“Until you realize how easy it is for your mind to be manipulated, you remain the puppet of someone else’s game.” ― Evita Ochel

[jcrandall]

Of course he should. Is this the standard though, or is it just the standard for one group or party? That is the real question.

[WuWei]

Mod Note

I highly suggest you guys knock off the:

1. Personal attacks
2. Trolling
   You are warned.

[johnrandolph]

@Bill.in.PA

Biden has made deploring neo-Nazi protests in Charlottesville the center of his campaign, but the Obama-Biden Administration made US military aid to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion a key point of their policy in Ukraine. When congress recognized this support of racist extremists they pass an amendment from Congressman John Conyers to ban such funding in 2015. The Obama-Biden Administration lobbied and got the restrictions removed in January 2016:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/

It is clear that they did quickly provide military aid to the Azov Battalion; here is a military parade of the Azov Battalion in Ukraine from July 2016. The uniforms and equipment appear to be of US origin:

Azov military parade - YouTube

Here is a video of the battalion marching with torches through Kharkov in eastern Ukraine in December 2016 that look very similar to the neo-Nazi marches in Charlottesville a few months later.
- YouTube
The banner that they are carrying says “Peace after Victory” in Ukrainian; their jackets say “Eastern Corps”.

Here is another similar video from Kyiv that included the Azov Brigade along with other marchers lit by torches.
Far right, nationalist march passes peacefully - YouTube

The similarities with the Charlottesville torch march are probably not a coincidence; court papers show that the Azov Battalion was responsible for training US white supremacists that attended the Charlottesville events.
Ukraine’s neo-Nazis trained US white supremacists – FBI | VT Foreign Policy
Here is the court document:
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/RAM-rioting-Rundo-et-al-COMPLAINT133873.pdf

Biden was a leading envoy for the Obama Administration to Ukraine; he clearly was aware of and at least tacitly supported funding the Azov Battalion and similar groups. He claims that seeing neo-Nazis with torches in Charlottesville a life-changing event that is the basis of his campaign, but I have found zero evidence that he has every renounced his involvement with funding the Azov Battalion and similar groups in Ukraine. Nor has he acknowledged the same groups that the Obama-Biden administration supported were also involved with the events in Charlottesville.

Does Biden need to renounce his support for neo-Nazis?

Or are neo-Nazis and similar groups “fine people” so long as they help US interests overseas and further political objectives of Democrats?

All good points. I don’t see it gaining traction though. Without any mainstream media highlighting it, the general public will remain clueless on the subject.
We are at peak Mencken in these times.

[FreeAndClear]

Wait wait wait.

Am i on the right board

Isn’t this the board where we had several admonition a that the Obama admin refused to produce lethal aid to Ukraine and that it was not until the President that the aid was actually provided?

“Appears”.

[Bill.in.PA]

I doubt that Obama-Biden administration wanted to publicize what they were doing for both political and security reasons. As far as the equipment in the military parade, I suspect that the uniforms, trucks, vests, and practically everything else except the guns would fall under “non-lethal” aid.

It is clear that the Obama-Biden administration did successfully lobby to remove congressional restrictions on funding the Azov Battalion. I suspect it would run something like Churchill’s comment after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union:
If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. --Winston Churchill

Has Biden ever explained why his administration sought and got congressional approval for funding neo-Nazi militias?

[Bill.in.PA]

I think images of torchlit marches of neo-Nazi militias in Ukraine could be the basis of a devastating ad. The ad could include a couple of short quotes that show Biden’s connection to funding neo-Nazis and the connection of Ukrainian neo-Nazis to Charlottesville.

The ad would not have to come from the Trump campaign.