Religious right win a major victory in teen pregnancy

Yep…no true Scotsman…

When you have Greeks, who cares.

You are obsessed.

We need to copy the Netherlands approach to sex ed. End of Story.

Pence and those like him need to be locked up.

Here’s a story on the Dutch approach. They tried the US style puritan method of abstinence only and found it a dismal failure. They moved to a reality based approach and teenage pregnancy is four times lower than the US.

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But you give the distinct impression you don’t want the use of condoms or birth control taught along side, and your above answer doesn’t clear that up.

Yet in my posts today I have advocated that teens be told of adults using protection against STDs and pregnancy. If you want to argue with someone against teaching teens about the protections adults use when they become sexually active, you are addressing the wrong person.

My position (as stated several times earlier in this thread) is to definitely teach teens about the biology of sex and how adults protect against STDs and pregnancy.

Then, once the students know all about this, talk to them about when it is appropriate to become sexually active. It’s appropriate when they move out of their parents’ house and can support themselves. Talk about the benefits of abstinence and waiting until one is fully grown both physically and psychologically. Talk about teens respecting themselves and each other, and why waiting makes sense. That should be society’s message to teenagers.

As I have said over and over again today, just because we teach students reading, math, to wear helmets and wear seat belts doesn’t mean every student can read, do math, wear helmets or seat belts–but that is no excuse for society not presenting the message in a clear fashion.

Sorry, but this is just a repackaged version of abstinence only, a failed approached. Have you read the NY Times linked above? They gave up on failed approaches and have achieved a teenage pregnancy rate four times lower than the US. That means many less abortions. What’s bad about that.

Shrug. I see it differently–giving students more information, not less.

This is an excuse for less info, not more. What did you think about the NYT article?

Why does it matter what I think of it?

Actually, it’s abstinence plus…which can be effective.

The problem is, it’s not to that type of education that Pence…er Trump…has shifted funding with this move.

They’re shifting AWAY from that type of comprehensive approach and back towards more abstinence-only approaches.

Well, it doesn’t really matter but you are participating in a discussion. If someone provides info that is relevant to the discussion, you could considering reading it … or not.

My question stands. Why should it matter what I think of the article?

Teenage brother, teenage nieces, teenage baby-sitter, middle school students, high school students. I have some real life experience with this, more than I wish I had…including what was in the article.

Well that comment says a lot.

It demonstrates the fallacy of the abstinence argument.

It is an anecdotal article that addresses the abstinence argument.

It’s much greater success in reducing teen pregnancy is not antidotal.

Your question has no standing. You’re just trying to avoid admitting that you won’t read the article.

The good news is if we tell the kids to stop having sex, young people will do exactly that. Teen pregnancies will go down., STDs in colleges will go away, sex will only happen in marriage.

Win, win, win.