Numbers Numbers. Taken as a snapshot, corporations are doomed. They are profitless and the current situation cannot continue

Corporate profits today are very very low. They are unsustainably low. They must be boosted or the corporations will crumble.

Today:
US 10-Year Treasuries pay 3.875%
US Corporations borrow at just over 5.09%
But globally, corporations are making just 4.66%.

How does one pay a 5.09% loan by investing in assets (factories, office-space, computers etc.) and making only 4.66%?
You can’t.
You can’t, it is impossible and It would make more sense to sell one’s assets and lend-out the money.

If its situation is permanent then corporations are doomed and together with them the IRAs 401ks etc. of every American now alive.

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PS
I would have MUCH preferred to use a ROA chart like the above but for the S&P 500.

I could not find one so I am using the S&P Global as a weak stand-in.

Banker:
“If I make a business loan today. I can bundle it with other loans and sell it for 5.09% so . . . any loan I make must be at a higher rate than that.”
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New/expanding businessman:
“If borrow money to buy computers and office space and stuff, after hiring employees and paying them, I’ll make only 4.66% on the assets I bought so . . . I cannot take the loan. I will not open or expand my business.”

Businessman operating an ongoing business:
“Even though I am 100% debt free, if I keep my business open, I will make only a 4.66% return on all the business’s assets. But if I close the business and sell the assets I’ll make 5.09% by putting the money in corporate bonds (or 3.875% tax-free in gov’t bonds). I am not an idiot. I am going to close the business and invest in bonds.”

some companies.

my company made 288,000,000,000 buck PROFIT in the past 4 years.

keep on buying those iphones.

Allan

The smartest man in the world just sold half his Apple stock, and is now hoarding cash and bonds.

In fact, his portfolio is now 50% cash and bonds . . . the most EVER!

This is also only a snapshot, (based on a single quarterly report) but he is the most bearish he has ever been since founding his company in 1962.

What would you say about a company with a market cap of 4.5B, EPS of -2.88, EBITDA of -110M, net profit margin of -10,000+%, and return on equity of -8.6%?

Who would invest their 401K funds in companies with a short-sighted profit-now mindset?

I know there is more to the question than that, but that is foolishness.

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Anyone care to tell me corporations are making too much profit? They are earning economic rents? They need to be broken up? They are gouging the consumer? They are under-paying their workers? They should pay more taxes?

Today it costs more to borrow money than businesse make (on average) from whatever they spend it on.

If it’s always gonna be like this, the economy is doomed. Maybe we need more consumer spending, like . . . Americans are saving too much, borrowing and spending too little?

more consumer spending is great, but Americans aren’t saving anything… they are spending 20% more for things

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That’s ok, I’m sure “vibes” will fix this.

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This is news to me. Business where i work has been booming like hell lol.

Unlikely because of housing costs. Im not one of those people that believes higher consumer spending is always good but that doesnt appear to be an issue.

Millionaires hoarding cash is sorta just what they do. I mean hell corporations were doing stock buybacks during Covid. Im not very worried.

If your company is publicly traded, look up its return on assets.
Some types of industry don’t need a lot of assets. (Video streaming service.)
Some do (windmill factory, EV plant etc,)

Those who do need assets are in so much trouble the economy-wide picture is very very bleak. They’d be better-off closing down and investing the money they get elsewhere. Fortunately, even for them, it is only a snapshot.

Wait, are corporations hoarding cash or are they using it for buybacks?
Make up your mind.

Oh I get it.
You did not look up any facts or figures.
You didn’t even think about any you heard recently.
You just imagined what would make your political ideas look right imagined that to be the case, now you’re passing that off as fact.
Is that it?

That’s not very scientific. Trust science.

Im just looking at my own prospects and its dramatically improved. Its almost like the stock market is a market of stocks and gambling and if i wanted to learn more about actually running businesses i wouldnt ask a glorified gambler, i’d ask my manager. We’ve had so much business my manager had to hire a couple of temps at least. Feels good man.

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That’s good to know.

But a company’s ROA is not about the stock market.

ROAs are bad men’s the underlying company is (in a temporary snapshot sorta way) doing badly.
Sometimes the market price reflects that sometimes it does not.

That is just one of the reasons stock prices are not a good economic indicator.

Exactly. Glad we could agree :).

So what do you think about the fact that a broad swath of the largest companies earn so little on the assets at current? (Not even enough to stay in business if this were a long-term thing)

Does that mean the economy is good or bad?
Does that mean corporations are greedy and earning too much?