9000 in one state alone.
Voter Suppression is a much bigger problem than voter fraud. Wisconsin had a strict Photo ID law that went into effect for the 2016 Presidential election. Wisconsin had a lower voter turnout in 2016 from 2012 while Wisconsin’s neighboring states, Michigan and Minnesota had higher voter turnouts in 2016 from 2012.
That isn’t “Voter Suppression” it’s ensuring that only legally eligible voters are voting and doing so only once.
Someone? There is audiotape of the GOP dude in Pennsylvania admiting it
On the part of those pushing people to vote illegally? You bet.
Who is pushing people to vote illegally? Was that in one of the articles you cited?
Excast: Jezcoe:And too be clear… I support the efforts to tighten up the voter rolls.
I just don’t see a reason to set my hair on fire over this.
The same people who turn a blind eye to the President and his team actively working with foreigners who were hacking their political opponents are very, very serious about the integrity of elections.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign not only worked with the same Russians, they paid them to generate salacious and unverifiable dirt on the competition.
Try sticking to the topic being discussed though, we have plenty of threads on the others.
Really? What Russians did Clinton’s campaign pay? URL?
theduke:Except absentee, to help their favorite group, older voters.
Personally, I think if voter ID passes then mail in votes (typically older and military) should require a photocopy of a valid ID be mailed in with the vote. Seems consistent.
I’d be fine with that.
WildRose: Excast: Jezcoe:And too be clear… I support the efforts to tighten up the voter rolls.
I just don’t see a reason to set my hair on fire over this.
The same people who turn a blind eye to the President and his team actively working with foreigners who were hacking their political opponents are very, very serious about the integrity of elections.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign not only worked with the same Russians, they paid them to generate salacious and unverifiable dirt on the competition.
Try sticking to the topic being discussed though, we have plenty of threads on the others.
Really? What Russians did Clinton’s campaign pay? URL?
All of the “sources” used to compile the dossier were Russian. Steele himself was a foreign agent.
DOLOOP: WildRose: Excast: Jezcoe:And too be clear… I support the efforts to tighten up the voter rolls.
I just don’t see a reason to set my hair on fire over this.
The same people who turn a blind eye to the President and his team actively working with foreigners who were hacking their political opponents are very, very serious about the integrity of elections.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign not only worked with the same Russians, they paid them to generate salacious and unverifiable dirt on the competition.
Try sticking to the topic being discussed though, we have plenty of threads on the others.
Really? What Russians did Clinton’s campaign pay? URL?
All of the “sources” used to compile the dossier were Russian. Steele himself was a foreign agent.
That doesn’t answer the question at all. How about answering the question.
What Russians did Hillary’s campaign pay? URL?
WildRose: DOLOOP: WildRose: Excast: Jezcoe:And too be clear… I support the efforts to tighten up the voter rolls.
I just don’t see a reason to set my hair on fire over this.
The same people who turn a blind eye to the President and his team actively working with foreigners who were hacking their political opponents are very, very serious about the integrity of elections.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign not only worked with the same Russians, they paid them to generate salacious and unverifiable dirt on the competition.
Try sticking to the topic being discussed though, we have plenty of threads on the others.
Really? What Russians did Clinton’s campaign pay? URL?
All of the “sources” used to compile the dossier were Russian. Steele himself was a foreign agent.
That doesn’t answer the question at all. How about answering the question.
What Russians did Hillary’s campaign pay? URL?
The money was funneled through a law firm to Steele and from Steele to the Russians.
Everyone involved knew where it was going, don’t pretend otherwise.
DOLOOP: WildRose: DOLOOP: WildRose: Excast: Jezcoe:And too be clear… I support the efforts to tighten up the voter rolls.
I just don’t see a reason to set my hair on fire over this.
The same people who turn a blind eye to the President and his team actively working with foreigners who were hacking their political opponents are very, very serious about the integrity of elections.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign not only worked with the same Russians, they paid them to generate salacious and unverifiable dirt on the competition.
Try sticking to the topic being discussed though, we have plenty of threads on the others.
Really? What Russians did Clinton’s campaign pay? URL?
All of the “sources” used to compile the dossier were Russian. Steele himself was a foreign agent.
That doesn’t answer the question at all. How about answering the question.
What Russians did Hillary’s campaign pay? URL?
The money was funneled through a law firm to Steele and from Steele to the Russians.
Everyone involved knew where it was going, don’t pretend otherwise.
URL showing who was paid?
Your “many, many people are saying” stuff doesn’t cut it.
WildRose: LouC: wiley8425:Or do away with automatic registration upon getting a driver’s license, since they don’t check if a person is eligible to vote before registering them.
Actually the vetting for voting eligibility via registration application processing is not, to my knowledge, the responsibility of DMV offices.
However, there is, without any doubt on my part, problems with most every DMV office and their being the most likely venue for initially getting people registered to vote. If it were up to me there would be no link between any DMV and registering people to vote, especially NO automatic registration.
I say this because I have researched extensively the pitfalls and weaknesses of the DMV handling voter registration applications. Also having worked as an Election Judge in two different states and now as a precinct Chief Judge I have seen serious problems with State DMV voter registration.
The problem starts with State DMV employees not being sufficiently trained for the job. Most state Motor Voter laws were not well thought out, in my opinion, and I have seen issues with seriously inconsistent processing of potential voter registration applications.
The second major issue is that voter registration applications filed in a State DMV office must then be sent to the County Elections board in the county where the prospective voter lives for theur confirmation and approval.
Well I can tell you that doesn’t always happen. I had quite a few people come in to vote in our primary election this year who thought they would be good to go because they had registered at the DMV. But there had been some glitch and their applications had not been received by the elections board. They weren’t regustered.
Motor Voter laws are getting more people registered, but there have been unacceptable problems. The two biggest are ineligible people getting registered and people who are eligible getting lost in the system.
It’s also a matter of the DMV employees pushing people to register in spite of the applicant telling them they weren’t eligible to vote. It’s an intentional orchestrated fraud to tilt the balance at the polls.
The DMV is in on it.
DOLOOP: WildRose: DOLOOP: WildRose: Excast: Jezcoe:And too be clear… I support the efforts to tighten up the voter rolls.
I just don’t see a reason to set my hair on fire over this.
The same people who turn a blind eye to the President and his team actively working with foreigners who were hacking their political opponents are very, very serious about the integrity of elections.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign not only worked with the same Russians, they paid them to generate salacious and unverifiable dirt on the competition.
Try sticking to the topic being discussed though, we have plenty of threads on the others.
Really? What Russians did Clinton’s campaign pay? URL?
All of the “sources” used to compile the dossier were Russian. Steele himself was a foreign agent.
That doesn’t answer the question at all. How about answering the question.
What Russians did Hillary’s campaign pay? URL?
The money was funneled through a law firm to Steele and from Steele to the Russians.
Everyone involved knew where it was going, don’t pretend otherwise.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Steele paid his sources?
PS: I already know you don’t.
FreeAndClear:disefranchisement is a weird term. There are levels If i limit access but don’t outright ban that still limts the right. If i I lie about what I am and do not act on my campaign promises did that affect the right to vote.
This is philosophical at best and semantics at worst. So yeah red herring
Voting is and always has been a heavily restricted privilege afforded only to eligible citizens.
“Heavily restricted?” Strange choice of words given the history of voting rights in this country.
DOLOOP: WildRose: Excast: Jezcoe:And too be clear… I support the efforts to tighten up the voter rolls.
I just don’t see a reason to set my hair on fire over this.
The same people who turn a blind eye to the President and his team actively working with foreigners who were hacking their political opponents are very, very serious about the integrity of elections.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign not only worked with the same Russians, they paid them to generate salacious and unverifiable dirt on the competition.
Try sticking to the topic being discussed though, we have plenty of threads on the others.
Really? What Russians did Clinton’s campaign pay? URL?
All of the “sources” used to compile the dossier were Russian. Steele himself was a foreign agent.
It’s hilarious when a poster who prides himself on dictionary definitions posts things like this.
LouC: WildRose: LouC: wiley8425:Or do away with automatic registration upon getting a driver’s license, since they don’t check if a person is eligible to vote before registering them.
Actually the vetting for voting eligibility via registration application processing is not, to my knowledge, the responsibility of DMV offices.
However, there is, without any doubt on my part, problems with most every DMV office and their being the most likely venue for initially getting people registered to vote. If it were up to me there would be no link between any DMV and registering people to vote, especially NO automatic registration.
I say this because I have researched extensively the pitfalls and weaknesses of the DMV handling voter registration applications. Also having worked as an Election Judge in two different states and now as a precinct Chief Judge I have seen serious problems with State DMV voter registration.
The problem starts with State DMV employees not being sufficiently trained for the job. Most state Motor Voter laws were not well thought out, in my opinion, and I have seen issues with seriously inconsistent processing of potential voter registration applications.
The second major issue is that voter registration applications filed in a State DMV office must then be sent to the County Elections board in the county where the prospective voter lives for theur confirmation and approval.
Well I can tell you that doesn’t always happen. I had quite a few people come in to vote in our primary election this year who thought they would be good to go because they had registered at the DMV. But there had been some glitch and their applications had not been received by the elections board. They weren’t regustered.
Motor Voter laws are getting more people registered, but there have been unacceptable problems. The two biggest are ineligible people getting registered and people who are eligible getting lost in the system.
It’s also a matter of the DMV employees pushing people to register in spite of the applicant telling them they weren’t eligible to vote. It’s an intentional orchestrated fraud to tilt the balance at the polls.
The DMV is in on it.
Of course. It couldn’t be that there are mistakes being made in systems inadequately designed to prevent human errors. No. It automatically must be a conspiracy.
Lol
WildRose: DOLOOP: WildRose: DOLOOP: WildRose: Excast: Jezcoe:And too be clear… I support the efforts to tighten up the voter rolls.
I just don’t see a reason to set my hair on fire over this.
The same people who turn a blind eye to the President and his team actively working with foreigners who were hacking their political opponents are very, very serious about the integrity of elections.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign not only worked with the same Russians, they paid them to generate salacious and unverifiable dirt on the competition.
Try sticking to the topic being discussed though, we have plenty of threads on the others.
Really? What Russians did Clinton’s campaign pay? URL?
All of the “sources” used to compile the dossier were Russian. Steele himself was a foreign agent.
That doesn’t answer the question at all. How about answering the question.
What Russians did Hillary’s campaign pay? URL?
The money was funneled through a law firm to Steele and from Steele to the Russians.
Everyone involved knew where it was going, don’t pretend otherwise.
URL showing who was paid?
Your “many, many people are saying” stuff doesn’t cut it.
I don’t think he believes what he posted.
The illegals are coming! The illegals are coming!
Nope, sorry. We have no illegals in this country. They’ve all crossed our border and entered into the country legally. They respect our laws so they fill out the proper paperwork and follow procedures. That is the reason we can trust that if they vote, they do so with the full authority of citizenship behind them, being upstanding citizens and all.
Jezcoe: Call_me_Ishmael: Jezcoe: WildRose:There was no mistake, they were pushed to register via motor voter even when they specifically told the DMV people that they were not legally eligible.
Okay… 137 people over a period of twelve years were mistakenly told to register to vote. Most of them didn’t.
I mean… if this is evidence of massive voter fraud… there just had to be better is all I am saying.
These were people caught. CAUGHT.
Wow… you are right.
They only found 137 in that county… that means that there are at least 3 million illegal votes in California.
9000 statewide in PA alone.
Yeah… we already went through this in the AM.
Maybe it was the mods deleting posts that is causing confusion.
Except in many cases the courts ruled that VoterID laws did, in fact, place an undue and disporportionately distributed burden.
Perhaps in the past. Today you can have groceries and prescriptions delivered to your house. Maybe If you can’t get an ID because it’s an undue burden chances are pretty good getting to the voting booth is more of a burden.
Are the costs of voter ID laws—administrative costs, disparate impact on the poor and minorities—less than the the benefit of reducing ineligible people registering to vote and then, more often than not, pointing it out themselves and not voting?