No more johns in Manhattan

Politics
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Right and i expounded

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Referring good customer service. Did he take a cut?

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Should 18 year olds be allowed to rent out their bodies when they can’t even buy alcohol or cannabis? :thinking:

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Cannabis, alcohol, tobacco, guns, LSD, psilocybin should all be unrestricted except in the operation of a vehicle/macinery at the age of legal authority.

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Agreed, but most of those are already restricted to people age 21 and over.

So in the meantime, 18 for being a human toilet, but 21 for the rest?

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Vice is a moving target.

How about we restore negative freedom and toleration?

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Maybe take a page from Nevada’s playbook? Whatever one might think about prostitution, they seem to have a framework.

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I don’t support being draftable but not being able to chimneystack your own lungs.

I’m caught between on restaurant smoking bans, because boy was it nice when ■■■■■■■■■ could no longer blow smoke in your face as you are asking them to simmer down, charlie.

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You really love republicans, don’t you?

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Agreed, 18 should be the age of all things legal for adults. But, that’s not the case.

In the meantime, this whole prostitution thing needs to be resolved so whores and their desperate clients can be safe, and an age restriction placed on it.

Doesn’t seem right to make it lower than tobacco.

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Porn will probably be the foundation, and it is permissible to purchase and perform in porn at 18.

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Not surprising, considering the slime who write these laws.

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I personally think porn is more problematic than popping off aykays while high on smack and sugar liquor, driving a racing kart - blindfolded - through snake infested scrub at a moonless midnight.

But, consenting adults.

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Elliot Spitzer is thinking “why didn’t I do that!”

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Exactly. Morality shouldn’t be legislated.

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It is a moral command, ‘do not kill’.

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I should have clarified; consenting adults.

Obviously an adult, or any other human being, wouldn’t consent to being killed by someone. In regards to sexual activity, if both adults consent then there is nothing to legislate. If that same sexual activity is forced on someone, then that would be criminal. Same with beating the crap out of one another. If someone beats a person to a bloody pulp without the other’s consent, that would be treated as a crime. If two individuals get into the ring with each other and consent to beat the crap out of each other, there is nothing to legislate.

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I think I agree with all of this.

My one quibble might be around the ring analogy you used.

I love boxing. I’ve loved it since my dad and I watched Michael Carbajal on Wide World of Sports in the 80s, I’ve loved it watching Gatti and Ward, I’ve loved it watching Canelo and Golovkin.

That said, if I get a ring with you at a boxing gym, and you are an incredible fighter and I am a beginner, I’m going to lose, and lose hard. But I might not know you’re awesome, and you beat my brains in.

A couple of considerations, here.

  • We both consented, but my medical bills are astronomical, and impact the insurance costs of everyone in my risk pool. Should my idiocy require me to pay over and above my insurance specs because of my supreme dumbness?

  • Do you have the obligation to A) stop pounding me, and B) disclose that you are by far the superior fighter in advance?

Anyways, when adults consent to do something, I think the paradigm should be to start with making it legal, and then think through exceptions, rather than start with making it illegal.

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no more johns in Manhattan… hopefully they still have latrines… high taxes may be the least of their worries…

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I generally tend to agree, but I imagine the discussion needs to move towards a robust understanding of the meaning, extent and limits to consent.

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