You said…“society never reacts to companies destroying people’s lives”.
Historically, society has reacted when companies do bad things…but it can be a difficult task if we have a very business friendly government that puts commerce over liberty.
So, with that in mind…should a company face the death penalty, if their actions kill a human?
This is where we disagree. The insurance industry shares no blame for the cold-blooded murder.
The death penalty is an individual punishment. I dunno how you would even make that work with a company other than killing every single person in the company, and there are different levels of responsibility in any decision. Whacking the 3rd floor janitor because the company killed someone seems a bit extreme.
No, it didn’t. It was cold-blooded first-degree murder. Nothing more; nothing less.
A company can be sued.
Gavrillo Princip whacked an Austrian archduke and that led to Europe blowing itself up for four years and left 50 million dead.
It can make a statement in certain circumstances.
I agree.
I was speaking that the health insurance industry shares some of the blame with the problems with the insurance industry.
The only person who bears responsibility for the murder of the CEO is the punk who pulled the trigger.
This is the USA. Profits are the key to everything. Companies will not put the human element back in their equation, unless they are forced to, or if they can make a profit doing it.
And, when our federal government seizes control over an industry in our free-market system its product skyrockets in cost, and its availability is reduced.
JWK
”Agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise.” Thomas Jefferson’s First Annual Message to Congress
The “death penalty” for a corp would not mean anyone actually dies…it means the business is dissolved or restructured.
We used to do this, before corporate America basically took over the government, and now calls the shots via lobbying.
Not in this one. United Health will change nothing as a result of its CEO’s murder.
So a company can just payoff the families of those that were killed? No other penalty?
And this right here was the ultimate goal of Obamacare. Destruction of the Health Insurance Industry so they could replace with socialized healthcare.
Which btw you think our health insurance system is bad, try Canada where not only do you pay exorbitant taxes but also need health insurance to cover the ever expanding list of things Canadacare doesn’t cover.
Every day, decisions made by healthcare professionals, insurance companies, etc… result in death. Those deaths are tragic, but they aren’t murder. Within our system of laws, the recourse for those kinds of tragic deaths is financial compensation.
18 years ago, we lost our 27-year-old son to malpractice while he was in the hospital. I lived in a red state at the time. That state had capped emotional compensation at $250k. We hired a lawyer who reviewed our case. They stated that we had a good case and would likely win. Since the lawyers would get a percentage of what they were able to get for us, they stated they wouldn’t be able to proceed. They said it would cost more than the $250k cap just to bring the case to trial.
It’s a shame really. Conservative legislation in that red state prevented me from getting any justice for the death of our son.
Nobody truly believes that healthcare insurance was BETTER before ACA.
Health insurance is a FOR PROFIT INDUSTRY. Insurance doesn’t make money by accepting a majority of claims. They make money by denying and/or raising costs.
Can you show a chart that directly correlates and increasing rate of costs increase with ACA?
The first situation is actually strongly defended often in conversations about universal health care.
We have an unhealthy obsession with wealth.
I am so sorry for your loss…that truly sucks.
I do believe the marriage between Government and business has shifted to the point that business has more power than the government. This country was founded on the idea of “We the people” Not “we the corporate.”
63% of U.S. health plans with over 100,000 enrollees are non-profit
(and 36% of Americans are covered by the Major gov’t programs)
Here is a list of the largest “non-existent” non-profits.
Affinity
American Postal Workers Union Health Plans
AmeriHealth Mercy/Independent Blue Cross
Arkansas BlueCross BlueShield
AultCare Health Plans
AvMed, Inc
Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Mississippi
Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Rhode Island
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Alabama
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, Inc.
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Louisiana
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Montana
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Nebraska
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Vermont
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Arizona
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Delaware
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan
Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota
Blue Cross of Idaho Health Service, Inc.
Blue Cross of Northeastern Pennsylvania
Blue Shield of California
BlueCross BlueShield of South Carolina
BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee
BlueCross BlueShield of Western New York and BlueCross BlueShield of Northeastern New York
Bluegrass Family Health, Inc.
Boston Medical Center HealthNet Plan
Capital Blue Cross
Capital District Physicians Health Plan, Inc.
CareFirst Blue Cross Blue Shield
CareOregon
CareSource, Inc.
Community Health Group
Community Health Network of Connecticut, Inc. (CHNCT)
Community Health Plan of Washington
Cook Children’s Health Plan (CCHP)
EmblemHealth, Inc.
Fallon Community Health Plan
Family Health Partners
Fidelis Care, Inc.
Geisinger Health Plan
Government Employees Health Association (GEHA)
Group Health Cooperative
Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, Inc.
Hawaii Medical Service Association
Health Alliance Plan of Michigan
Health Care Service Corporation
Health Partners of Philadelphia
Health Plus (PHSP), Inc.
Healthfirst
HealthPartners, Inc.
HealthPlus of Michigan, Inc.
Highmark, Inc.
Hometown Health Plan, Inc.
Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield
Hudson Health Plan
Independent Health Association, Inc.
Inland Empire Health Plan
Kaiser Permanente
Kern Health Systems, Inc.
Lifetime Healthcare Companies
Maryland Physicians Care (MPC)
McLaren Health Plan
MDWise
Medica Health Plans
Medical Mutual of Ohio
MVP Health Care Preferred Care
Neighborhood Health Plan, Inc.
Paramount Care, Inc. (ProMedica Health System)
Parkland Community Health Plan
Partnership Health Plan of California
Phoenix Health Plan/Abrazo Advantage
Premera, Inc.
Priority Health
Priority Partners
Providence Health Plan
Rocky Mountain Health Plans
SCAN Health Plan
Scott and White Health Plan
Security Health Plan of Wisconsin, Inc.
SelectHealth
Sentara Health Plans, Inc.
Texas Children’s Health Plan
The Chartered Health Plan Inc.
The Regence Group
Trustmark Companies
Tufts Associated Health Plans, Inc.
UAW Retiree Medical Benefit Trust
UCare
University Health Care Health Plans
UPMC Health Plan, Inc.
Virginia Premier Health Plan, Inc.
Wellmark, Inc.
I am very sorry to hear that.
