I am much more familiar with NE cities not named New York.
Based on them
Perhaps the causes are something else, but the cause is obviously (and irrefutably) something relatively new.
Are you talking Manhattan? I know I only said Staten Island, but Manhattan is probably still very profitable.
It is for ecoomical reasonsā¦poor neighborhoods dont have the means to support a large grocery storeās sales requirements. The free market fails those folks.
You can also include country one is born in, parents one is born to, etc., etc. Lifeās not fair, are you just figuring that out?
Meat is not required to get protein. A diet of less meat is much healthier.
Food deserts are not new and are definitely not new in New York.
These really started to occur in the the 1960s as a result of suburbanization. Supermarkets naturally followed these customers who had more money to spend. This led to disinvestment in many large urban areas around the US. The term food desert was first used in 1995 in a UK study.
in 2023 I was involved in a work project that looked to address food insecurity for our Medicaid customers which resulted in my doing a lot of research into this topic.
The cons fix to everything. More police. How is that working out?
Zip code has more influence than anything, according to statistics.
There is no such thing as a food desert in the city of New York.
Thatās because itās a bad word fascism. There are plenty of countries today that can be described as a fascist state.
Saudi Arabia for example. Iran. To some extent. We just donāt use the word
You guys keep confusing New York City with Detroit.
Itās not Detroit.
There are no food deserts. Cheaper supermarkets dominate poorer neighborhoods. Western beef and key food. They do not shut down.
Nevermind bodegas etc
I think you are confalting the terminology.
Food insecurity generally refers to poverty,
people donāt make enough even woiht food stamps to pay for food.
Ad for food deserts, the ancient pre-history does include America presuburbs, pre family autmobile etc. but the modern problem began much later.
As redently as the 1980s and ealry 1990s there were still actual supermarkets with fresh produce and raw meats in most large and small cities.
Today what has repalces them is small bodegas and a series of Dollar Generals each if whihc have a small refrigerator sectoon of overpriced precooked meatballs (frozen), overpriced precooked lasagne (frozen), frozen burritos (frozen), etcā¦
If I could post pictures I could show you the difference and weād be on the smae page immediately.
Last time I lived in an city was the height of COVID (Phoenix).
The immediate downtown area is populated by yuppies and gay artists who shop at a tres chic, tres expensive supermarket above a parking.
Then if you drove out past one long ago shutdown plaza, then another then another, you would eventually arrive at two that speicalize in selling to poor spanish pseaking customers.
The area in between was a food desert, houing only conveninence stores and bodegas. It did not become one in 1950 or 1960 or 1970, probably started around 2000.
I think the bar was moved to ānutrition desertā earlier in the thread.
I would argue against even that existing (in NYC). But people can draw all sorts of boundaries and perimeters to make the case, I guess.
A lot of the poor in this country are poor due to bad decisions.
Deciding not to get an education.
The poor can get a free education thru Pell Grants so thatās no excuse for not getting a decent education.
Babies out of wedlock, etc.
Google AI disagrees with you. I have never been there, so I will refrain debating.
Bad decisons are certainly a factor. Statistics show those born in ābetterā areas with more opportunities do better as they get older, vs those areas that no not have the infrastructure and/or opportunities.
And it is difficult to move to a better area when one does not have the means to do so.
So, the answer is a government run grocery store?
It does not need to be a 100% ran by guv.
Hybrid of some sort, where those in need of necessities are able to get them at a fair price.
What do you suggest?
Google AI provides some insight.
To attract stores to poor inner-city neighborhoods, itās crucial to address both the perceptions and realities of the area, and demonstrate the potential for profit. This involves showcasing the existing customer base, demand for specific products, and potential for growth. In addition, offering financial incentives, improving infrastructure, and fostering a sense of community can make the area more attractive to businesses.
Some inner-city neighborhoods are already taking similar steps.
Of one thing Iām certain. A one size fits all government run grocery store isnāt the answer. It is doomed to failure. Not only would it fail to meet the needs of the residents, but it would also be a money pit that would need to be paid for with taxpayer money. It would become a magnet for crime and unsafe for residents to shop.
