New study shows natural immunity is vastly better than that from vaccines

[JayJay]

@Bill.in.PA

Yes, death is important.

Why should people risk death or serious injury from the vaccine if they already have superior immunity from an earlier exposure to COVID?

Did you miss the part where of your infection occurred at the onset of the pandemic, this might not be true?

And that one dose of the vaccine boosted your natural immunity?

Something that’s been kind of known since the early part of the vaccine rollout?

That said…I am totally in favor of immunity tests being rolled out for people to be able to use to determine whether or not they should get a vaccine.

And the vaxxes are still far better than being unvaxxed and never having had COVID, or deciding to risk getting sick in the first place.

Lines of defense.

PS All this, of course, will be predicated on me actually reading the study because once again the OPer didn’t link the primary source, but instead linked a STORY about the primary source which likely included its own biased spin.

[biggestal99]

@Bill.in.PA

Many of the arguments for forced vaccinations just evaporated if this study is correct

Of course. But who knows if it can be duplicated.

That’s the trick.

Allan

[Ben_Natuf]

given the reliance on retrospectives and anecdotes championed from the cdc this reply seems a bit disingenuous. our covid policy is based on two hairdressers

[Guvnah]

@Sknyluv

@Bill.in.PA

Why should people risk death or serious injury from the vaccine if they already have superior immunity from an earlier exposure to COVID?

They … aren’t risking death or serious injury from the vaccine. Like you said, they are reducing the dangers from COVID infection by a vast degree when compared to being unvaccinated.

@PurpnGold

Why not try to prevent the “Get Covid” step?

(Snipped a bunch of other posts…)

People are talking past each other.

The study referenced in this thread is focused on those who already had the virus and developed natural immunity to it. Unless Bill is suggesting that people skip the vaccine and get COVID as then vector for developing protection from the virus (which I am not seeing from him), it seems to me he’s raising the question about subsequent vaccination of people who have contracted the disease.

And nothing more.

Someone who has not already had the disease is not pertinent to the point of the thread.

[Guvnah]

@Bill.in.PA

Why should people risk death or serious injury from the vaccine if they already have superior immunity from an earlier exposure to COVID?

The risk for such is low. Nonetheless, there is a risk.

To me, if the study is accurate, the next question that this raises is whether or not subsequent vaccination adds any value. And if so, how much. That’s the profit-loss analysis that should be evaluated.

[JayJay]

I got the measles when I was a kid.

I have lifelong immunity because of that…it’s an open question as to whether the vaccine for measles confers the same kind of lifelong immunity.

So the odds are that natural immunity to measles is better than vaccinated immunity.

Should we end mandatory measles vaccinations and just let everyone start getting measles again?

After all, while it’s a ■■■■■■ illness to get, very rarely does anyone die of it.

In fact the estimated death rate is about 0.1%…right around the death rate for flu.

That seems to be the logic of the OPer. Let’s stop mandatory vaccination for measles.

[Guvnah]

@Jezcoe

If you can’t trust Tyler Durden… who can you trust?

@Jezcoe

Tyler Durden

@hindsight

Do you trust Tyler Durden?

How cute. Libs want to be trusted.

[Ben_Natuf]

another is whether you’re better off getting the pfizer and delta (pfizer being only 40% effective against delta, but still effective against serious illness and death), or moderna and whatever comes next. it could effect which vaccine people choose to get.

[Guvnah]

@Jezcoe

The entire thing is framed in a way that “natural immunity” is better than vaccination which is true …

And … ?

Isn’t that what the thread is about?

@Jezcoe

… except for that whole part where you have to get sick and risk your life and long term health to do so.

I agree with you that anti-vaxxers are foolish to overlook that “minor” fact.

[JayJay]

@Guvnah

@Bill.in.PA

Why should people risk death or serious injury from the vaccine if they already have superior immunity from an earlier exposure to COVID?

The risk for such is low. Nonetheless, there is a risk.

To me, if the study is accurate, the next question that this raises is whether or not subsequent vaccination adds any value. And if so, how much. That’s the profit-loss analysis that should be evaluated.

Like I said, I’d like to see if this study is valid.

Whether or not we agree with Torrey’s logic, it is sound.

So much stuff has come out, and a lot of it has been garbage.

If a study is only in pre-print, we should stop talking about it as if it is definitive.

I am totally in favor of developing an immunity test for COVID. We have the tech to do it, and not just an antibody test but a memory cell test.

I did a blood test for measles when I was entering college because they wanted to make me get a shot, and I didn’t want to because I had the measles (they were trying to get me to get one because I was one of the last age groups to get the original measles shot which was later found to be ineffective and actually cause ADE).

I would love to see that option available to those that want it so they can make an informed decision.

[Jezcoe]

@Guvnah

@Jezcoe

If you can’t trust Tyler Durden… who can you trust?

@Jezcoe

Tyler Durden

@hindsight

Do you trust Tyler Durden?

How cute. Libs want to be trusted.

It is a joke.

Zero Hedge is written by a comglomeration of people who go under the moniker “Tyler Durden” that since it’s launch in 2009 has been revealed to be based in Bulgaria and serves as Russian Agitprop.

I am reminded a year and a half ago of their coverage of Covid and how incredibly wrong it all was… but stuff like that gets flushed down the memory hole.

[Jezcoe]

@Guvnah

Isn’t that what the thread is about?

The basis of the thread and the goal of the authors of Zero Hedge is to cast further doubt on the efficacy of the vaccines.

[JayJay]

Here’s where we will be reminded that ZeroHedge collated stories coming out of China that contained warnings COVID was worse than being let on, and initially got slapped for doing so.

Except ZeroHedge was simply copying from other places that were doing the same thing…the stories we’re out there already.

[Guvnah]

@Ben_Natuf

another is whether you’re better off getting the pfizer and delta (pfizer being only 40% effective against delta, but still effective against serious illness and death), or moderna and whatever comes next. it could effect which vaccine people choose to get.

And by the time they unravel the data to conclude this question, we will be facing some newer variant.

I just loathe so much conflict over it all. Each side digging their own moats and building their own ramparts catapults to launch assaults on the other side in an effort to beat them into submission (which will never happen.)

I still say that the divisiveness is worse than the disease.

[Jezcoe]

@JayJay

Here’s where we will be reminded that ZeroHedge collated stories coming out of China that contained warnings COVID was worse than being let on, and initially got slapped for doing so.

Except ZeroHedge was simply copying from other places that were doing the same thing…the stories we’re out there already.

And then went on to amplify Aaron Ginn’s super flawed analysis and that weird right wing art critic who said that Covid was no big deal.

[Ben_Natuf]

seems to me the basis of this thread is that if you already have natural immunity you don’t need a vaccine. the rest you seem to be inferring.

[Guvnah]

@Jezcoe

The basis of the thread and the goal of the authors of Zero Hedge is to cast further doubt on the efficacy of the vaccines.

I see that. And I’m not on board with that tactic.

[Ben_Natuf]

tru dat.

if i had it to do over i would probably get the pfizer and chance delta for better long term protection. i got the moderna, and who knows what the variant will look like that defeats it.

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

seems to me the basis of this thread is that if you already have natural immunity you don’t need a vaccine. the rest you seem to be inferring.

The study doesn’t say that.

What it says is that there is an indication that “natural” immunity may have a better response to the virus than vaccinated. But that previously infected with vaccination is much better than both.

When we talk about vaccinations and immunity, we have to talk in terms of populations. It isn’t just about an individual being vaccinated, but to have as large a population as possible in order to have a bulwark against the virus finding new hosts.

So even with a less effective vaccine… it is still many many many times more effective at slowing the rate of transmission than without.

[JayJay]

@Ben_Natuf

seems to me the basis of this thread is that if you already have natural immunity you don’t need a vaccine. the rest you seem to be inferring.

No go back and look at the OP, where the OPer throws in a shot about the “waning efficacy of the vaccine” again and that “side effects and deaths are much more than are being reported”…and once more links to dubious sources to try and back that up.

Also, if we are to assume this story is true, it actually points out natural immunity is better, but only for a short period, and it can be ENHANCED with at least one shot.

Something the Rockefeller study earlier on pointed out.