More evidence of dissension within the politburo

In the days of the Soviet Union, western analysists would carefully parse Pravda in an effort to understand Kremlin politics. As an official organ of the Communist Party, actual news in Pravda was rare. Instead, reporting could give indications about the conflicts between factions within the Politburo and possible changes in official policy.

Something like that appears to be going with the New York Times, the quasi-official mouthpiece of the DC politburo. In a highly unusual step, it openly repudiated its earlier reporting about a deadly missile strike on a market in Ukrainian-controlled Donbass. Kyiv had claimed came from Russian forces, but the Times is now saying that evidence points to Ukrainian forces as the source for the missile. Even more unusual, the admission was not buried in text but was in a headline, and the admission coincided with President Zelensky’s visit to the UN in New York City.

The clear implication is that powerful elements inside the leadership in Washington are not happy with Zelensky and a change of official policy may be underway.

Here are some links for the details:

Here are links to the recent Times article:

Back on September 6, the Times joined with the rest of the mainstream media and repeated Ukrainian claims that the missile attack had come from Russian forces.

The evidence cited by the Times is hardly new. For example, here is a video from September 7 that quotes an earlier analysis from a Bild reporter.

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A false flag terrorist attack, eh? :thinking:

That is certainly a likely possibility. Killing Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Donbass and blaming it on Russia would be a win-win for Ukrainian ultranationalists.

Another possibility is that the missile strike was an accident, but Ukrainian claims of a Russian attack were bogus.

We are starting to see more reports about Ukrainian corruption as well. The tide appears to be turning in Washington.

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Tide towards what. Letting Russia take over a country and then hope they don’t do it again?

The US is looking to cut its losses and leave.

Ukraine is running out of men, and NATO is running out munitions.

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. You should write for ria.

Another day another propaganda thread on behalf of Russia.

I am still waiting for US and Nato troops to be deployed into the fighting in Ukraine that these threads first started telling us would happen when Russia first entered Ukraine.

This whole Ukrainian adventure of Putin’s has spectacularly backfired. He has his military mired in a war that is unpopular with Russians and NATO has expanded. If the ultimate outcome is Russia retreating you will then see Ukraine joining NATO which is another defeat and humiliation for Putin.

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Reality is sinking in.

The escalation needs to stop.

Good find and analysis @Bill.in.PA

:sunglasses:

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Should the EU order Google and Twitter to censor the NY Times article for repeating “Russian propaganda”?

Should the NY Times reporter be added to the Ukrainian hit list against pro-Russian propagandists?

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Not every journalist is solovyev but nice try.

EU will do what the EU does. Zero control over it.

No one is going to be adding anyone to a hit list. NYT reported a story then corrected it.

You are reading way too much into this.

The ukrainian counter offensive failed spectacularly. Now they just trade artilly and small attacks while the lines barely move. Ukraine has draft crews pulling kids off the streets because so many others have died. Russia’s arms industry is well ramped up and they have tons of man power, so…

Ukraine has always been the under dog. Everyone was surprised that they held off the Russian advance in the first place.

But regardless of how badly Ukraine is doing thry are holding off the Russians.

I suspect many Russian soldiers are doing the bare minimum. It’s not like the motherland is under attack so there is no desire except to go home alive.

Wrong. Not paying for it will put an end to it.

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Russia is not advancing they are defending and blowing up Ukraine’s arms while Ukraine attacks with little to no gains over and over. They may try an offensive this winter. Some rumors about Oct 4th, also…

Where did you get your beliefs on Russian Moral? …

Oh i forgot cons love Putin and want to see a similar style of leadership here.

Read my post again - I said “I suspect” its my opinion.

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EU does what Washington tells them to do.

If you doubt that consider the 180 that European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen pulled once it became clear that the US was complicit in the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines.

September 2022:

“Paramount to now investigate the incidents, get full clarity on events [and] why,” von der Leyen wrote on Twitter on Tuesday evening.

“Any deliberate disruption of active European energy infrastructure is unacceptable [and] will lead to the strongest possible response.”
'Sabotage' and 'deliberate acts' suspected in mysterious Nord Stream leaks, EU says | Euronews

June 2023:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/06/politics/nord-stream-pipelines-us-intelligence/index.html

Where are the demands for the extradition of Ukrainian General Zaluzhnyi to Germany?

Where are the demands for Secretary of State Blinken to testify about his advance knowledge of the attack? Crickets.

The EU members are US satellites.

The American who has been acting as Ukraine’s spokes-eunuch has been forced to step down after threatening to hunt down anyone who disputes Kyiv’s party line. It looks like Washington is starting to enforce a change of direction.

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I’m for small govt. Putin is big govt and lots of control. That’s more leftist than conservative. Your side seems to want Venezuela as far as I can tell… Including their voting system…

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This is what the EU and their NGO revolution’s bring. Kooks in govt!