Moral Obligations of The Social Contract

[WuWei]

@SimplyTrying

There will always be some people who do not want to contribute to the good of society. We call them selfish and self centered.

Where does this obligation come from?

[WuWei]

@Auto129

Society is tyranny. There’s no way around that.

The only way to escape tyranny is to leave society altogether. That’s not as easy as going inside your house. You have to get out of the reach of anyone who can enforce their will on you.

It would be intolerable to live in a society unless there are plenty of tyrannies you like as well.

So we accept some tyrannies and not others, but we don’t get to choose?

[WuWei]

@dantes

To cut through most of the ramblings of the OP, society seeks to preserve itself. The social contract seeks to prevent social unrest.

How’s that working out for you?

[WuWei]

@armycowboy

And the power structure looks to preserve itself. Going back to the days of Rome, bread and circuses was about keeping citizens from revolting. Fast forward to today, when enough people demand a social program, politicians will eventually give it to them to stay in office. Its got nothing to do with morality, its about self preservation.

Good post.

[WuWei]

The Republicans do it too.

What do you think wins elections?

[WuWei]

So logic has nothing to do with it?

[Toll_Collector]

@WuWei

The Republicans do it too.

What do you think wins elections?

Of course they do. They want to keep their jobs and act accordingly. We won’t see too much deviation from that norm.

[WuWei]

@SimplyTrying

There will always be some people who do not want to contribute to the good of society. We call them selfish and self centered.

I don’t care for your society, at all.

I like mine.

[WuWei]

@Toll_Collector

Of course they do. They want to keep their jobs and act accordingly. We won’t see too much deviation from that norm.

Agreed.

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[dantes]

Getting close to 250 years and the only uprising was a last gasp effort to preserve chattel slavery.

Not too bad.

[dantes]

Can’t say any one thing wins races in every instance. Playing on tribal animosity is a good way.

[adroit]

@WuWei

So logic has nothing to do with it?

The optimal route is usually the irrational route within the context of solely pursuing ones own self-interests. However, aggregate results are higher with the optimal route, though not a Nash equilibrium. If you want, I can post some results from a few Monte Carlo simulations of different scenarios to demonstrate what I mean.

[Cratic3947]

They mean they want a “floor” for themselves at any cost because they live in fear. It’s has nothing to do with others. That’s why they want to use force to get it. There’s no proof the current welfare system is making us more prosperous than before it came to full flower. In fact wages have stagnated since then. It’s caused the break up of many poor families.

[Cratic3947]

@SimplyTrying

There will always be some people who do not want to contribute to the good of society. We call them selfish and self centered.

If that’s their personality, why shouldn’t they be allowed to be who they are as long as they do’t hurt someone?

[Rurudyne]

The 10th Amendment is inclusive of all possible powers besides the enumerated Powers when it forbids the federal doing anything for which there is no delegated power given.

So, yes, it is forbidden.

Elections are not amendments to the Constitution any more than people’s circumstances are.

[WuWei]

@dantes

Getting close to 250 years and the only uprising was a last gasp effort to preserve chattel slavery.

Not too bad.

You don’t know your history.

[WuWei]

@adroit

@WuWei

So logic has nothing to do with it?

The optimal route is usually the irrational route within the context of solely pursuing ones own self-interests. However, aggregate results are higher with the optimal route, though not a Nash equilibrium. If you want, I can post some results from a few Monte Carlo simulations of different scenarios to demonstrate what I mean.

Thanks, but that’s ok. Game theory bores me.

[WuWei]

@Cratic3947

They mean they want a “floor” for themselves at any cost because they live in fear. It’s has nothing to do with others. That’s why they want to use force to get it. There’s no proof the current welfare system is making us more prosperous than before it came to full flower. In fact wages have stagnated since then. It’s caused the break up of many poor families.

I don’t think so, it’s not the “poor” I’m talking about.

@SimplyTrying

There will always be some people who do not want to contribute to the good of society. We call them selfish and self centered.

This is who I’m talking about.

[WuWei]

@Cratic3947

If that’s their personality, why shouldn’t they be allowed to be who they are as long as they do’t hurt someone?

Because that’s the price everyone must pay to live in a civilized society.

[Cratic3947]

@WuWei

@Cratic3947

If that’s their personality, why shouldn’t they be allowed to be who they are as long as they do’t hurt someone?

Because that’s the price everyone must pay to live in a civilized society.

It’s civilized to hurt or steal from someone because of their personality?