Jezcoe:
johnwk2:
I cannot answer your question with any certainty. Where do you think "money’ should come from? And why? And, in your judgement, ought to be a “legal tender”?
JWK
History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. James Madison
I am pretty much fine with where money comes from right now. It isn’t without it’s failings and valid criticisms but it has served this country’s financial needs pretty well.
So, where do you think money should come from?
I already stated I cannot answer your question with any certainty. And I did notice you neglected to address what ought to be a “legal tender”.
JWK
Jezcoe
March 13, 2019, 5:59pm
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So without certainty, you have no opinion on where money should come from but holds an opinion on where it shouldn’t come from.
Okay.
And to clarify, I am fine with what we use for legal tender in the year of our lord 2019 until something better comes along.
Jezcoe:
You explained why you think it is important.
Something to do with the word “gay” or some such nonsense.
Words change definitions over time.
Welcome to using language.
Well, you have just confirmed you did not understand the OP. Go back and read it very slowly, starting at that part which deals with Karl Marx’s use of the word “capitalism” to attack the free market system.
JWK
Now we are getting somewhere. You approve of a private bank’s notes [Federal Reserve Notes] being made a legal tender. Do you have any idea why our founder rejected bank notes of any kind to be made a legal tender?
JWK
Jezcoe
March 13, 2019, 6:08pm
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johnwk2:
Jezcoe:
You explained why you think it is important.
Something to do with the word “gay” or some such nonsense.
Words change definitions over time.
Welcome to using language.
Well, you have just confirmed you did not understand the OP. Go back and read it very slowly, starting at that part which deals with Karl Marx’s use of the word “capitalism” to attack the free market system.
JWK
No… I do understand the OP.
The distinction doesn’t matter. Capitalism is the form of free market enterprise that you are saying that the Founders intended. It doesn’t matter who came up with the term. It is a word that describes a thing in the world and if that word didn’t exist in the 1780’s it doesn’t matter because that word exists now.
That is why is is a distinction without a difference.
Jezcoe
March 13, 2019, 6:09pm
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Woah woah woah… I know what your position is on what you think it shouldn’t be.
What I am interested in on what you think it should be.
Jezcoe:
johnwk2:
Jezcoe:
You explained why you think it is important.
Something to do with the word “gay” or some such nonsense.
Words change definitions over time.
Welcome to using language.
Well, you have just confirmed you did not understand the OP. Go back and read it very slowly, starting at that part which deals with Karl Marx’s use of the word “capitalism” to attack the free market system.
JWK
No… I do understand the OP.
The distinction doesn’t matter. Capitalism is the form of free market enterprise that you are saying that the Founders intended. It doesn’t matter who came up with the term. It is a word that describes a thing in the world and if that word didn’t exist in the 1780’s it doesn’t matter because that word exists now.
That is why is is a distinction without a difference.
I dare say you do not understand the gist of the OP. In fact, the word “capitalism” was a term unknown to our founders. It was popularized by Karl Marx and used by him to attack our “free” market system, our “free” enterprise system, and our "free’ trade system, without having to use the word “free” as the subject of his attacks.
It’s more convenient and sort of innocuous to condemn evil “capitalists” and “capitalism”, [illusive terminology] then to opposed and attack those engaging if free enterprise, free trade or a free market system . . . “free” being the operative word.
Just like homosexuals co-opted the word "gay’ to soften and obscure what they really are, the word “capitalism” is used by socialists [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez} and communists to attack our free market system without having to use phraseology containing the word “free”.
JWK
What are you referring to when you write “it”?
JWK
Jezcoe
March 13, 2019, 6:32pm
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johnwk2:
Jezcoe:
johnwk2:
Jezcoe:
You explained why you think it is important.
Something to do with the word “gay” or some such nonsense.
Words change definitions over time.
Welcome to using language.
Well, you have just confirmed you did not understand the OP. Go back and read it very slowly, starting at that part which deals with Karl Marx’s use of the word “capitalism” to attack the free market system.
JWK
No… I do understand the OP.
The distinction doesn’t matter. Capitalism is the form of free market enterprise that you are saying that the Founders intended. It doesn’t matter who came up with the term. It is a word that describes a thing in the world and if that word didn’t exist in the 1780’s it doesn’t matter because that word exists now.
That is why is is a distinction without a difference.
I dare say you do not understand the gist of the OP. In fact, the word “capitalism” was a term unknown to our founders. It was popularized by Karl Marx and used by him to attack our “free” market system, our “free” enterprise system, and our "free’ trade system, without having to use the word “free” as the subject of his attacks.
It’s more convenient and sort of innocuous to condemn evil “capitalists” and “capitalism”, [illusive terminology] then to opposed and attack those engaging if free enterprise, free trade or a free market system . . . “free” being the operative word.
Just like homosexuals co-opted the word "gay’ to soften and obscure what they really are, the word “capitalism” is used by socialists [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez} and communists to attack our free market system without having to use phraseology containing the word “free”.
JWK
Yes… get it that.
What I am saying is that only you care.
When someone hears Capitalism they aren’t thinking of Marx. It really isn’t a problem that is in need of a solution.
In the 21st Century, Capitalism means a lot of things but as a blanket term it means a system of free trade, free enterprise, and the use of capital for profit. It is indistinguishable from the characterization of what you say that the Founder’s intended. Because… that is how language works.
Trying to convince people that there is a problem where none exists is quite silly.
Jezcoe
March 13, 2019, 6:32pm
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Where you think that money should come from.
Jezcoe:
johnwk2:
Jezcoe:
johnwk2:
Jezcoe:
You explained why you think it is important.
Something to do with the word “gay” or some such nonsense.
Words change definitions over time.
Welcome to using language.
Well, you have just confirmed you did not understand the OP. Go back and read it very slowly, starting at that part which deals with Karl Marx’s use of the word “capitalism” to attack the free market system.
JWK
No… I do understand the OP.
The distinction doesn’t matter. Capitalism is the form of free market enterprise that you are saying that the Founders intended. It doesn’t matter who came up with the term. It is a word that describes a thing in the world and if that word didn’t exist in the 1780’s it doesn’t matter because that word exists now.
That is why is is a distinction without a difference.
I dare say you do not understand the gist of the OP. In fact, the word “capitalism” was a term unknown to our founders. It was popularized by Karl Marx and used by him to attack our “free” market system, our “free” enterprise system, and our "free’ trade system, without having to use the word “free” as the subject of his attacks.
It’s more convenient and sort of innocuous to condemn evil “capitalists” and “capitalism”, [illusive terminology] then to opposed and attack those engaging if free enterprise, free trade or a free market system . . . “free” being the operative word.
Just like homosexuals co-opted the word "gay’ to soften and obscure what they really are, the word “capitalism” is used by socialists [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez} and communists to attack our free market system without having to use phraseology containing the word “free”.
JWK
Yes… get it that.
What I am saying is that only you care.
When someone hears Capitalism they aren’t thinking of Marx. It really isn’t a problem that is in need of a solution.
In the 21st Century, Capitalism means a lot of things but as a blanket term it means a system of free trade, free enterprise, and the use of capital for profit. It is indistinguishable from the characterization of what you say that the Founder’s intended. Because… that is how language works.
Trying to convince people that there is a problem where none exists is quite silly.
You apparently have not been listening to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s description of capitalism.
click here https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1104950929600794626/video/1
https://twitter.com/i/status/1104950929600794626
adroit
March 13, 2019, 6:49pm
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And yet, Hamilton’s plan was accepted within a few years of our founding to establish a central bank and create such notes to be legal tender.
You are not making any sense now. I wrote:
Now we are getting somewhere. You approve of a private bank’s notes [Federal Reserve Notes] being made a legal tender. Do you have any idea why our founder rejected bank notes of any kind to be made a legal tender?
You went on to answer:
What I am interested in on what you think it should be.
Were you not referring to what a “legal tender” ought to be?
JWK
Jezcoe
March 13, 2019, 7:05pm
54
johnwk2:
You are not making any sense now. I wrote:
Now we are getting somewhere. You approve of a private bank’s notes [Federal Reserve Notes] being made a legal tender. Do you have any idea why our founder rejected bank notes of any kind to be made a legal tender?
You went on to answer:
What I am interested in on what you think it should be.
Were you not referring to what a “legal tender” ought to be?
JWK
Yes. You have stated what it shouldn’t be many times.
What should it be?
Baloney as to your assertion about legal tender.
The truth is, the lawful tender in the United States of America.
JWK
see SEC. 16. And be it further enacted , That all the gold and silver coins which have been struck at, and issued from the said mint, shall be a lawful tender in all payments whatsoever, those of full weight according to the respective values herein before declared, and those of less than full weight at values proportional to their respective weights.
And you refuse to state what you think our nation’s “legal tender” should be.
I already indicated I agree with our Founders. Now, what do you think our nation’s legal tender should be?
JWK
PhillyGuy:
Exactly. it doesn’t.
PhillyGuy
You apparently have not been paying attention. Try keeping up with the conversation.
JWK
Jezcoe
March 13, 2019, 8:01pm
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johnwk2:
Baloney as to your assertion about legal tender.
The truth is, the lawful tender in the United States of America.
JWK
see SEC. 16. And be it further enacted , That all the gold and silver coins which have been struck at, and issued from the said mint, shall be a lawful tender in all payments whatsoever, those of full weight according to the respective values herein before declared, and those of less than full weight at values proportional to their respective weights.
Okay… Thank you. Now we are getting somewhere.
Is your opinion that silver coinage established by a law made over 200 years ago should be the only legal tender of the United States?
Jezcoe
March 13, 2019, 8:01pm
60
johnwk2:
Jezcoe:
johnwk2:
Jezcoe:
johnwk2:
Jezcoe:
You explained why you think it is important.
Something to do with the word “gay” or some such nonsense.
Words change definitions over time.
Welcome to using language.
Well, you have just confirmed you did not understand the OP. Go back and read it very slowly, starting at that part which deals with Karl Marx’s use of the word “capitalism” to attack the free market system.
JWK
No… I do understand the OP.
The distinction doesn’t matter. Capitalism is the form of free market enterprise that you are saying that the Founders intended. It doesn’t matter who came up with the term. It is a word that describes a thing in the world and if that word didn’t exist in the 1780’s it doesn’t matter because that word exists now.
That is why is is a distinction without a difference.
I dare say you do not understand the gist of the OP. In fact, the word “capitalism” was a term unknown to our founders. It was popularized by Karl Marx and used by him to attack our “free” market system, our “free” enterprise system, and our "free’ trade system, without having to use the word “free” as the subject of his attacks.
It’s more convenient and sort of innocuous to condemn evil “capitalists” and “capitalism”, [illusive terminology] then to opposed and attack those engaging if free enterprise, free trade or a free market system . . . “free” being the operative word.
Just like homosexuals co-opted the word "gay’ to soften and obscure what they really are, the word “capitalism” is used by socialists [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez} and communists to attack our free market system without having to use phraseology containing the word “free”.
JWK
Yes… get it that.
What I am saying is that only you care.
When someone hears Capitalism they aren’t thinking of Marx. It really isn’t a problem that is in need of a solution.
In the 21st Century, Capitalism means a lot of things but as a blanket term it means a system of free trade, free enterprise, and the use of capital for profit. It is indistinguishable from the characterization of what you say that the Founder’s intended. Because… that is how language works.
Trying to convince people that there is a problem where none exists is quite silly.
You apparently have not been listening to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s description of capitalism.
click here https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1104950929600794626/video/1
https://twitter.com/i/status/1104950929600794626
Listen to Ayn Rand’s description. Hers is more what people follow.
