Mexico totally bans sales of e-cigarettes

I didn’t think you knew a bunch of people who quit smoking because of the vapes.

No worries though. I remember when the left of this board erupted over Trump possibly doing similar things to e-cigs. I was ready to get frothy with them. lol

First of all, I will say that I am NOT proposing banning vaping.

All I would propose is banning industry from making certain claims.

At least a dozen or so people on this very forum quit tobacco thanks to e-cigs. I’m just glad we have that cleared up now.

Anecdotal evidence.

Anecdotes are not the singular of data.

Continuing peer reviewed research will indicate whether those individuals you mention are the rule or the exception to the rule.

Yes, anecdotal evidence that can be found in every last circle of smokers in the nation.

But yes also, there are propaganda pieces being pushed around as “Science!” from people with money to make. :wink:

The peer reviewed research in regards to regular cigarettes turned out to be accurate.

Not sure why there would be any difference in regards to e-cigarettes.

Appeal to authority.

There is no world in which vaporizing these three ingredients at low temps is anywhere near as harmful as combusting 5,000 carbon-based chemicals.

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I’m one of them. I was a two pack a day smoker for over 30 years. I got a “home made” ecig with DIY juice for a guy I met in a chat room before they were available commercially. You had to put 3 drops of juice in a crude atomizer and got maybe 3 hits. But the day that came in the mail was the day I quit tobacco. Within a few weeks, I no longer coughed and my taste in food changed dramatically. It was the best thing I ever did for myself.

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Nobody is saying that it is as harmful.

But it is clearly harmful, just not as harmful as regular cigarettes.

E-cigarette users have a right to know, via peer reviewed research when it becomes available, exactly how harmful.

As for appeal to authority. While I don’t take peer reviewed research as gospel, as things can change due to the finding of new facts, it should be highly influential in decision making.

I definitely struggled, but in all the times I quit smoking, that one was permanent. I haven’t even had nicotine in months at this point, but I still vape throughout the day. It’s the asphyxiation I’m truly addicted to, not the chemicals.

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No, but someone did say this, which is incorrect:

I say again,

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Anyone who thinks ecigs are harmless really needs to read more. Of course inhaling chemicals into your lungs is not healthy. But for those of us who can’t quit, it is a decent option. My lung scans have shown definite improvement over the years since I quit tobacco.

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E-cigarettes have saved more smokers’ lives than any government regulation, tax, commercial campaign, etc., could ever dream of. They really are unsung heroes.

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Random aside: IIRC back in the 90s a study out of California revealed that tobacco smoke could prematurely kill a pot buzz.

Makes a bit of sense about why cigarettes seem to be most hated on where pot is most accepted.

They’re not the same, though. I love cigarettes. I know I can’t smoke them, but they’re absolutely delicious.

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Yep, I would no doubt be dead now without vaping. Instead of being dead I run 5k’s.

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The asphyxiation will always reign supreme in my memory as well, although I like to view it as being because I started smoking at the ripe age of 8 when I could still walk into the Shoppette and buy a pack “For my dad.”

Beat me by a year. My dad started at 6 to avert the effects of cropping tobacco. I can’t imagine.

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If I didn’t completely fold my ankle in half last August I would’ve been able to try out the treadmill that came in the mail two days later. Wife sure is looking fit lately though, so I got that going for me, which is nice. lol