Marines urged to stop using “Sir and Ma’am”?

[Samm]

@Tguns

This entire issue is nothing more than the creation of a grievance out of thin air and applying it to where it never existed for no other purpose than feigned virtue.

Bingo!

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Samm

Actually, everybody should pretend it doesn’t exist. That is the only way it will ever be seamlessly integrated into society. All that these woke nonsense rule do is bring attention to the differences and foment resentment between those who are and those who are not members of the aberrant group.

Good post! Why the ■■■■ is someone’s personal sexuality any of our ■■■■■■■ business?

[Hollywood]

I’ll just say again, that in our history, people said the same thing about black Marines and soldiers being integrated into what had been exclusively white barracks and jobs. And when homosexual soldiers wanted to be able to serve openly. And those people were wrong.

As of right now I see stats that 5% of young adults in the U.S. are identifying as trans or non-binary. The Marines recognize that they are going to begin getting more and more non-binary/trans officers and wants to do better than they have in the past with minority groups.

I applaud them for it. I can see many of you do not. I think you’re all upset about nothing.

[Samm]

“Sir” and “Ma’am” have nothing to do with the integration of non-binary officers.

[STODR]

@Hollywood

As of right now I see stats that 5% of young adults in the U.S. are identifying as trans or non-binary.

4.9999% just going with what they think is cool.

[Hollywood]

I’m not. Some of the guys in my flight were pulled to spend the day clearing lockers out of a building that was going to be renovated and it must have been near the girls dorms. And after several weeks without seeing a girl they all looked like 10s. At any rate there was a female TI running the show and I answered her as Sir and of course got ripped a new one and mocked ferociously for a minute in front of everyone included the girls that were there cleaning out small items or whatever they were up too.

No punishment, just a normal one of 10 a day dressing downs.

[Hollywood]

Could be. I’m pretty sure I have as tough a time understanding this trans/non-gender stuff nearly as much as you and others.

To my mind, a lot of it is simply based on them (young people) starting to use a new vocabulary, just new verbiage, like non-binary to describe what they consider different levels of masculinity and femininity.

I can either rage against it, like my gramps and pop did against rock and roll, or try to understand it and them. I’m choosing the later.

[Hollywood]

@e7alr

You were the one who introduced the point of the term used to reference the officer affecting their health. And you were referring to the use of sir and ma’am, not the use of rank, when you made the comment. But then that is the entire point of your argument. That an individual officer’s feelings about what they think they are would be more important to unit cohesion than reality.

First, you can share the post where you think I said sir or ma’am would affect anyone’s health if you like. But I think you inferred something that was not there, but I never intentionally typed that or think it now.

@e7alr

And anyone who has served knows that members of the military have absolutely no tolerance for posers. That includes men posing as women and women posing as men. And before you rush to the denial of existence argument, understand that no one is claiming that men posing as women, or women posing as men, don’t exist. We’re just pointing out exactly what they exist as.

Well you are free to paint members of the military with a broad brush in your image if you like, but members of the military in my world are diverse, independent thinkers who see things like this in many different ways.

You’re free to your opinion, but you should remember that that is all it is.

[WuWei]

@Hollywood

and identifying as non-binary or gender neutral.

Why?
…

[Hollywood]

He was the one that said “People like me” first. I was responding using the same language. I can’t help you if you don’t understand why I did that.

[Hollywood]

@Eagle-Keeper

@Samm

Actually, everybody should pretend it doesn’t exist. That is the only way it will ever be seamlessly integrated into society. All that these woke nonsense rule do is bring attention to the differences and foment resentment between those who are and those who are not members of the aberrant group.

Good post! Why the ■■■■ is someone’s personal sexuality any of our ■■■■■■■ business?

If you really don’t want to know someone’s personal sexuality/gender identity or don’t want Marines to have to endure knowing someone’s sexuality/gender identity then you should definitely support this change.

If every officer is just addressed by rank then no transgender or non-binary officer will ever have to tell someone that they want to be addressed differently than with the normal Sir or Ma’am.

See! With this change you would never have to know. IT’S A WIN WIN!

[Hollywood]

Marines urged to stop using “Sir and Ma’am”?

Could be. I’m pretty sure I have as tough a time understanding this trans/non-gender stuff nearly as much as you and others. To my mind, a lot of it is simply based on them (young people) starting to use a new vocabulary, just new verbiage, like non-binary to describe what they consider different levels of masculinity and femininity. I can either rage against it, like my gramps and pop did against rock and roll, or try to understand it and them. I’m choosing the later.

[Oldandtired]

They’re going to love your new pansy military that is more worried about what name their called than winning wars.

[Tguns]

@Hollywood

I’ll just say again, that in our history, people said the same thing about black Marines and soldiers being integrated into what had been exclusively white barracks and jobs. And when homosexual soldiers wanted to be able to serve openly. And those people were wrong.

As of right now I see stats that 5% of young adults in the U.S. are identifying as trans or non-binary. The Marines recognize that they are going to begin getting more and more non-binary/trans officers and wants to do better than they have in the past with minority groups.

I applaud them for it. I can see many of you do not. I think you’re all upset about nothing.

And I’ll simply say again, why should the military adapt to that miniscule 5% rather than that 5% adapting to a military lifestyle…as has been done with EVERYONE else for centuries?

And with that question, I’m looking for a valid reason beyond faux virtue.

[Hollywood]

I can’t help you understand why, I’m not your parent or moral instructor.

The military doesn’t make changes with regard to having it’s members show each other respect and courtesy only if they are not a minority. As they have demonstrated repeatedly with blacks, women and homosexuals who want to serve their country.

They’ve clearly adapted for very small percentages in the past. Claiming they haven’t is faux outrage.

[Hollywood]

So you want a strong military like Russia’s?

[Samm]

@Hollywood

I’m not. Some of the guys in my flight were pulled to spend the day clearing lockers out of a building that was going to be renovated and it must have been near the girls dorms. And after several weeks without seeing a girl they all looked like 10s. At any rate there was a female TI running the show and I answered her as Sir and of course got ripped a new one and mocked ferociously for a minute in front of everyone included the girls that were there cleaning out small items or whatever they were up too.

No punishment, just a normal one of 10 a day dressing downs.

“Guys”? “Girl’s dorms”? “Girl”? “Female”? Those are binary descriptions. Shame on you.

I presume this anecdote occurred long before the silly “don’t call 'em sir or ma’am” nonsense. What could they charge you with to punish you over?

[Samm]

@Hollywood

He was the one that said “People like me” first. I was responding using the same language. I can’t help you if you don’t understand why I did that.

I got that.

So what kind of people are you?

[Hollywood]

You and others can pretend there are going to be charges filed and punishments levied for people slipping up if it makes you feel better. Call me when you have an actual case to show.

And I am very proud of you for catching and pointing out the gender based nouns I used. Well done!

That’s my current vocabulary though. I can see a couple of changes that I could make, but I really don’t know how I’d write that without using the (female and girl(s)). But I’ll leave that to the young people to figure out and if I’m still around when they do, I’ll use the knew words.

And I won’t cry and have a temper tantrum over it. Or mock it just because I don’t completely understand it.

[Hollywood]

Okay