Maria Butina to plead guilty and help prosecutors

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@Demon

No, but even a lot of gun owners are in favor of background checks, banning bump stocks, etc. Also, it now looks very much like they funneled money from Russia to Trmp’s campaign.

Background checks have been in effect for decades. And that legislation was supported by the NRA.

Bump stocks are essentially a non-issue for the NRA. They support treating them like class three weapons.

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@Demon

Yes, but there are loopholes in those background checks. IMO there are entirely too many guns in this country, but I know there’s no way to get rid of them. It just seems to me that the NRA is working only for the gun manufacturers. And yes, if they did something illegal, they definitely should be punished.

There are no loopholes in the BC laws. The exemptions are specifically written into the law.

And the NRA does not work for gun manufacturers. That is a myth created by your ilk. The NRA works for gun owners and for the American people who believe that the Constitution means what it says.

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@Demon

I disagree, and aren’t there gun show loopholes? And are there background checks when you sell a gun to a friend/

There is no gunshow loophole; the law specifically exempts transfer of guns by individuals. That is another myth created by your ilk.

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@Munimula1

@WuWei

@Demon

Because it makes little sense to have background checks on some sales but not on all.

But you don’t know.

You want me to run a background on my son?

Odd- that’s exactly what Adam Lanza’s parents said.

No it isn’t. He killed his mother and took her guns.

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Clearly, the gun show loophole and the loopholes in background checks need to be fixed.

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@Munimula1

@Demon

How many mass shooters bought at a gun show?

Well, for starters: (Columbine) Robyn Anderson, a friend of Klebold and Harris, bought the shotguns and the Hi-Point 9mm Carbine at The Tanner Gun Show in December of 1998 from unlicensed sellers.

And she was eligible to purchase the guns regardless of where she purchased them. Therefore, that she bought them at a gun show is immaterial. However, she did violate the law by purchasing them for Kiebold and Harris, whom she knew to be ineligible to purchase them … a so-called “straw purchase.”

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@Munimula1

Let’s look at Seung-Hui Cho. Cho had previously been diagnosed with a severe [anxiety disorder]and was accused of two female students.After an investigation, a Virginia special justice declared Cho mentally illand ordered him to attend treatment; however, because he was not institutionalized, he was still allowed to purchase guns.

Of course.

You can lay that one (and many others) squarely at the feet of the mental heath profession which refuses to pass that information over to the FBI for inclusion in the background check data base. Unless that is changed, it does not matter if you had universal background checks or not.

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Tomorrow is going to be fun.

CNN Politics

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If it’s half as fun as today was, it will be an unqualified winner.

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@Sewell

If it’s half as fun as today was, it will be an unqualified winner.

Have you noticed that a “D-13” chant has the same cadence as “lock her up”?

D-13!

D-13!

D-13!

D-13!

D-13!

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Cho the beginning of the murdering incels.

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@Munimula1

Now how about the star of the Sutherland Springs church shooting, Devin Patrick Kelley. Kelley was prohibited by law from purchasing or possessing firearms and ammunition due to a domestic violence conviction in a court-martial while in the [United States Air Force. The Air Force failed to record the conviction in the FBI database.

■■■?

So would universal background checks have stopped that purchase?

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@Munimula1

Now this one stinks: Thousand Oaks shooter David Long. Police and a mental health crisis team visited Long in 2017 for his irate and irrational behavior, but they decided not to detain him at a psychiatric facility. A high school teacher raised claims that Long had physically assaulted her as a student, but was encouraged to not push the incident to not endanger his future in the Marine Corps. In her statement, the teacher alleged that Long had issues long before his military service.

Getting firearms? NO prob at all.

Again, would universal background checks have prevented that shooting?

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@Munimula1

I think I hate this one the most: Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, brought to you by Robert Gregory Bowers. In the weeks before the shooting, Bowers made anti-Semitic posts directed at the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society who sponsored National Refugee Shabbat[ he posted on Gab that "HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in."

Who could have seen that coming? Thanks Trump, for riling guys like this up with your caravan lies.

Yeah, blame Trump. He is constantly says the Jews are infiltrating America via Mexico.

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@SaysWho

The uncomfortable truth is that the NRA views a certain body count of people as acceptable losses in their fight for an unrestricted 2nd amendment. Hopefully once they are gone, we can restore some sanity to the 2nd Amendment restriction debate.

There is no truth to that whatsoever.

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@Munimula1

Gotta laugh- Hannity headline is about some terrorist in Paris shouting Aliahu Akbar- how is that any different from Robert Bowers, who allegedly opened fire on worshipers at a Pittsburgh synagogue “made statements regarding genocide and his desire to kill Jewish people” during the 20-minute attack, prosecutors said.

None at all. What’s your point?

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@Sewell

@madasheck

Be nice to see 'em just disappear.

Taking away their tax-exempt status would be a good start.

No sense propping them up like that.

Equal protection under the law. To remove their tax exempt status for political revenge would be unconstitutional. Of course that wouldn’t bother you in the least, would it.

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@Munimula1

Maria Butina’s Republican operative boyfriend wrote in private communications that he was involved in setting up a “very private line of communication” between Russia and the Trump campaign using the National Rifle Association as a “conduit.”

When was the trial? I must have missed that.

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@Munimula1

The NRA has lobbied heavily against all forms of gun control and argued aggressively that more guns make the country safer. It relies on, and staunchly defends, a disputed interpretation of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, which it argues gives US citizens the rights to bear arms.

Nope. You are wrong. The NICS probably would not exist had it not been for NRA support.

And the interpretation of the Constitution is not in dispute. The SCOTUS has ruled that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is an individual right irrespective of the collective of the Militia. That’s all you need to know to understand the meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

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@Sewell

Clearly, the gun show loophole and the loopholes in background checks need to be fixed.

What loophole? Where does selling guns without background checks at gunshows circumvent the law?