Liberation Day! ADP Jobs Report Celebrates . . . . . + 21,000 manufacturing jobs

Coincidence??
Something related to Biden policies??

Private-sector payrolls increased by 155,000 in March, according to ADP Research. That was above all but one estimate in a Bloomberg survey of economists. The gains were driven by professional and business services, financial activities and manufacturing.

“Despite policy uncertainty and downbeat consumers, the bottom line is this: The March topline number was a good one for the economy and employers of all sizes, if not necessarily all sectors,” Nela Richardson, chief economist at ADP, said in a statement. . . .

The ADP report, published in collaboration with the Stanford Digital Economy Lab, showed wage growth cooled. Workers who changed jobs saw a 6.5% pay increase, while those who stayed put saw a 4.6% gain. . . .

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-02/us-firms-add-155-000-jobs-in-adp-data-more-than-forecast

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will that help the just completed 1q2025 GDP?

-3.7% gdp growth.

it cant be that bad, can it?

Allan

Good news.

markets seem to be fighting to climb. Also good news.

US stock markets reacted to the news neutrally.

Allan

Job numbers are usually considered lagging indicators.

I can’t imagine they would be reflective of Trump’s stated policies yet, but only because he has whipsawed so much.

I will listen to anyone who wants to make the case it’s because of Trump, however.

In the meantime, it’s nice to see.

Aww man! :rofl:

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Yes,
the big monthly jobs report comes out first Friday
(Day after tomorrow.)

As much as I like these results
I think the real story here is

  • a couple of months good data does not necessarily make a long term trend
  • longer term the real economy is still weak (could very easily plunge into recession making a gain of 21,000 look tiny.)

That said,
there were a lot of losses followed by a sudden switch to gains.
C’mon . . .

Well I can give you that. It could be companies think Trump will be more friendly to them.

If the trend in manufacturing continues long term once the scope of Trump’s tariff policy is known, then Trump can claim vindication.

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Another real possibility here is, US manufacturers - many of whom use foreign parts - are hustling to fill inventory up before the tariffs hit.

That seems pretty likely to me. Fill the shelves, then raise the prices when the tariffs hit. THe stock you built pre-tariff = high margin sales…

Filling shelves with imported goods (your scenario) would not create manufacturing jobs.

Honda shifting jobs out of Mexico and to the US (in anticipation of Trump polices) would.

As much as the left likes to bad mouth –>US<– industry for shifting jobs out of the US it is not about –>US<– industry doing that.

Across the world Chinese manufacturers, Japanese manufacturers, British manufacturers face the same calculus.

The calculus:
“The US Fed has lowered rates so American will stop saving and start buying cars. We can borrow money form American banks pen a plant in Mexico and fill those orders.”

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I always cringe a little when people use the terms leading indicators and lagging indicators. At least half they time they don’t know what they are talking about. At least half the time what they mean is
“That is just and indicator and it does not matter. What really matters is the GDP (consumption).”

No…a lagging indicator is a metric that lags the thing it is supposed to be telling us about.

Like if you buy a new piece of software.

A leading indicator will be the number of people using that software.

A lagging indicator will be some measure or value gained from using that software (reduced cost, increased revenue, etc)

It’s really quite simple.

I could see how you could make a case for hiring being a leader or lagger if the thing being looked at is economic impact of government policy.

Sure it would. If you go from 75% capacity to 100% you’re hiring.

Well, it’s kind of crazy. Trump re-negotiated NAFTA to encourage Mexico, Canada and US trading. But now he doesn’t like that…

That’s what I mean.
Half the time people say that (and I suspect you are part of the half)they are saying “That thing doesn’t matter. What really matters is this other thing that it’s supposed to be telling us”

(As how many plastic whistles we buy is what’s important. Jobs, savings net worth etc. are all immaterial ‘indicators.’) They have it completely backwards.

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“He’s unemployed, he has a negative net worth but who cares? All I care about is if that impacts how many plastic whistles he buys” <— This is 100% totally completely backwards.

“He has a job, he is very wealthy and he is adding to his wealth. the number of plastic whistles he buys is a convenient short-cut incicator of those things” <— this is frontwards

Let me clarify. They aren’t filling their shelves with the imported stuff they are filling their shelves with the stuff they make from the imported pieces.

I’m talking about manufactures.
Not retailers.

Sounds like a stretch.
Here are some more likely explanations

  • They know the tariffs are coming (some have already begun) so they are shifting production here.
  • It’s just a blip. Perhaps influenced by Trump policies, but since a recession is coming anyway it won’t matter.

Could they do it that fast? I guess if there are companies that already have production facilities here and abroad it would be easy to sift production here.

But I am thinking most about car manufacturers who built cars here with foreign parts. I have to imagine they are pushing as hard as they can to bring in the foreign parts and build cars now.

Of course.

Here according to MS Copilot (sometimes accurate) is a list of Honda Finishing Plants.

Honda reads the newspaper, crunches the numbers and says
“I predict we are gonna sell more 2025 autos from the first set of plants. Better hire now so we have them.”

United States:
Marysville Auto Plant (Ohio): Produces the Honda Accord and Acura models.

East Liberty Auto Plant (Ohio): Produces the Honda CR-V and Acura SUVs.

Honda Manufacturing of Alabama (Lincoln, Alabama): Produces the Honda Odyssey, Pilot, Passport, and Ridgeline.

Honda Manufacturing of Indiana (Greensburg, Indiana): Produces the Honda Civic and CR-V.

Mexico:
Honda Celaya Plant (Guanajuato): Produces the Honda HR-V.