Kamala helps bail out child rapist

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

Accused of heinous violent crimes works for me. Again, barring some reason to believe the charges are unjust.

This seems pretty antithetical to the most fundemental tenets of our justice system.

[WuWei]

@zantax

If you have any reason to believe that is the case, fine, quite a bit different if your policy is, we don’t care if they are or not.

I believe everybody is wrongfully accused until they are proven guilty.

[JayJay]

If that’s how you personally want to run a bail fund, have at it (methinks you won’t be in business very long).

But you’re arguing like this should be a policy of all bail funds…and such a concept runs completely counter to the presumption of innocence we follow in this country.

The price we pay for this assumption is sometimes bad guys get off.

I’m willing to pay that price and would never agree to move in any direction away from presumption of innocence.

Any “moral” person should feel the same way.

[WuWei]

@zantax

@WuWei

@zantax

It is, if he wants me to pay his bail. Stop conflating.

He wants them to pay his bail. Their fund, their rules.

Yep, and my opinion of their rules, is mine.

Indeed, and you are entitled to it.

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

Accused of heinous violent crimes works for me. Again, barring some reason to believe the charges are unjust.

This seems pretty antithetical to the most fundemental tenets of our justice system.

Paying a strangers bail is not part of our justice system. It is a purely voluntary act on behalf of said strangers.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Who asked you to pay anyone’s bail?

[tzu]

But it is legal.

[zantax]

@WuWei

@zantax

@WuWei

@zantax

It is, if he wants me to pay his bail. Stop conflating.

He wants them to pay his bail. Their fund, their rules.

Yep, and my opinion of their rules, is mine.

Indeed, and you are entitled to it.

Nobody is saying it’s illegal.

[tzu]

So what is the objection? Bad optics?

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

Who asked you to pay anyone’s bail?

Lol, going to pretend you don’t understand context and start picking nits now? Care to answer the question? Would you personally pay for a rapists bail without any questions?

[zantax]

@tzu

So what is the objection? Bad optics?

Bad actions.

[tzu]

Might be too vague.

[fallenturtle]

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

So in other words, some guy could be caught on camera raping a two year old and it wouldn’t matter to the people running this bail fund. And that is who Harris endorses and fund raises for.

How would you know if it wasn’t a deepfake? It’s not the job of the bail fund to decide who is safe to be released on bail, its the judge who set the bail.

Any bail fund that doesn’t bother looking at what the person they are bailing out is accused of and how credible the allegations are is morally bankrupt.

It’s morally bankrupt to depend on the justice system to decide who is safe to release on bail? It’s morally bankrupt to follow the maxim of innocent until proven guilty?

And on the flip side, would it be morally just for some vigilante to hunt down and execute or imprison people released on bail if they feel the allegations are credible?

[TheDoctorIsIn]

No, I would have questions. But those questions that I would ask would not related to guilt or innocence.

[zantax]

@tzu

Might be too vague.

Nothing vague about bailing out accused child rapists with no concern for whether they did it. It’s neither vague or morally justifiable.

[zantax]

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

So in other words, some guy could be caught on camera raping a two year old and it wouldn’t matter to the people running this bail fund. And that is who Harris endorses and fund raises for.

How would you know if it wasn’t a deepfake? It’s not the job of the bail fund to decide who is safe to be released on bail, its the judge who set the bail.

Any bail fund that doesn’t bother looking at what the person they are bailing out is accused of and how credible the allegations are is morally bankrupt.

It’s morally bankrupt to depend on the justice system to decide who is safe to release on bail? It’s morally bankrupt to follow the maxim of innocent until proven guilty?

And on the flip side, would it be morally just for some vigilante to hunt down and execute or imprison people released on bail if they feel the allegations are credible?

Because there is no difference between a vigilante and declining to pay someone bail you are under no obligation to pay. Amazing I have to explain this.

[tzu]

So that’s what you meant by ‘bad actions’? Legally bailing out a man for whom a judge set bail?

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Of course it is morally justifiable. The presumption of innocence is more than just morally justifiable, it is a moral foundation of our entire system.

[zantax]

@tzu

So that’s what you meant by ‘bad actions’? Legally bailing out a man for whom a judge set bail?

Yes, it’s morally repugnant. At least when there is no effort to discern likely guilt or innocence before. That I even have to spell it out is ridiculous. If he did it, there is a very frightened child victim out there who is now even more terrified. Great job.

[fallenturtle]

@fallenturtle

It’s morally bankrupt to depend on the justice system to decide who is safe to release on bail? It’s morally bankrupt to follow the maxim of innocent until proven guilty?

My bad, I didn’t mean to distract you with the second paragraph.

It’s morally bankrupt to depend on the justice system to decide who is safe to release on bail? It’s morally bankrupt to follow the maxim of innocent until proven guilty?