Fate (path dependence, physics, chemistry) subsumes every effort to command it.
Respectfully, I don’t think you have ever actually defined what your society is
I get that you reject it, but it says precisely what was intended.
I know it does. It’s wrong. Completely wrong.
Fate (path dependence, physics, chemistry) subsumes every effort to command it.
And the wheel keeps turning.
tzu:Because time is inexorable and experienced as singular directional, conservatism will always be reactive, but never universal. It can’t be universal, because nothing human is; but there will always be people who think what went before is better than what is now, and that is, broadly, what is conservative.
There is always that dichotomy - more relevant than the “left/right” dynamic - between those who seek to push the wheel backwards towards an idealized past, and those who seek to push the wheel forwards towards an idealized future.
How it used to be vs. how it could be.
Hell of a post
What is wrong about the assertion that the Enlightenment, and modernism, are the secularization of Christian values?
This is a fairly benign, and widely understood, conclusion.
tzu:Because time is inexorable and experienced as singular directional, conservatism will always be reactive, but never universal. It can’t be universal, because nothing human is; but there will always be people who think what went before is better than what is now, and that is, broadly, what is conservative.
There is always that dichotomy - more relevant than the “left/right” dynamic - between those who seek to push the wheel backwards towards an idealized past, and those who seek to push the wheel forwards towards an idealized future.
How it used to be vs. how it could be.
I don’t disagree except with your use of “past”. All change is not progress. All “past” is not bad.
Fundamentals and principles.
No. Better and worse don’t describe time, or times. The cosmos is amoral.
More drivel.
‘Progress’ is a specifically Christian ideation of time.
I think you are using that word to mean ‘I don’t understand’.
I am referencing personal power.
To do what?
Other than scale, what’s the difference?
I know it does. It’s wrong. Completely wrong.
Aside from this is my point, the first perspective to self-identify as “conservative” was a reaction to Lockean “liberalism”.
Without common defintions, we’re all just talking past each other.
I think you are using that word to mean ‘I don’t understand’.
Oh no, I understand completely what you are claiming.
‘Progress’ is a specifically Christian ideation of time.
Oh horse feathers.
This isn’t a claim. This is a widely taught canon of Western civilization.
TheDoctorIsIn: tzu:Because time is inexorable and experienced as singular directional, conservatism will always be reactive, but never universal. It can’t be universal, because nothing human is; but there will always be people who think what went before is better than what is now, and that is, broadly, what is conservative.
There is always that dichotomy - more relevant than the “left/right” dynamic - between those who seek to push the wheel backwards towards an idealized past, and those who seek to push the wheel forwards towards an idealized future.
How it used to be vs. how it could be.
Hell of a post
It is a good post. But @TheDoctorIsIn can’t get past his bias.
This isn’t a claim. This is a widely taught canon of Western civilization.
It’s horse ■■■■ .
WuWei:I know it does. It’s wrong. Completely wrong.
Aside from this is my point, the first perspective to self-identify as “conservative” was a reaction to Lockean “liberalism”.
Without common defintions, we’re all just talking past each other.
Where did you get that?
We are never going to agree on definitions.
I get that you reject it, for reasons, but you are wrong. Erasmus was clear, Bacon even clearer, and everything since, from Spinoza through to Rawls, liberal democracy and liberal capitalism, is the attempt to improve the human condition on explicitly Christian terms, bound to an exclusively Christian conception of progressive time.
FreeAndClear:I am referencing personal power.
To do what?
Other than scale, what’s the difference?
To be your own person as you define it.
Scale is everything in this context.
The problem (in my lib/progressive/whatever nick name you choose) is that a person only imagines himself to be an individual. Walden is a fantasy.