Well said. The South felt they had the right to both. Everyone is in agreement they had no right to slavery. Did they have the right to secede?
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Yes, they did. Consent of the governed. No way the states would have ever ratified the constitution if they thought otherwise.
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This thread is such trash. “State’s Rights”. The right to do what? What rights were being taken away from the states. Oh, yea. THE RIGHT TO OWN SLAVES. Who cares about black rights, it’s all about the slave state’s rights. What a load. If it were states enslaving white Christians against their will, you wouldn’t be here trying to rationalize it.
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How am I trying to rationalize anything. I clearly said the south fought for slavery, not states rights.
They didn’t have the right to secede to enslave Americans either. Boo hoo.
We already did this thread.
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There was also the financial issue. The North wanted tariffs on any goods other than their own, which did hurt the South. One location growing richer and more powerful while the other grows poorer and less powerful has ever been a traditional instigator of war. In the South was the issue of feeling they were being brow-beaten by the North. Whether this feeling was justified can be debated. In either case, it still does not justify slavery.
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They either had a right to secede or they didn’t, No good reason required.
No they did not have a right to enslave AMERICAN CITIZENS. That’s what their secession meant. Slavery of AMERICAN CITIZENS. It was thr North’s obligation under law to protect AMERICAN CITIZENS from slavery.
That was in the 1830s and was resolved through negotiation.
Wasn’t even mentioned as a cause of secession.
Nothing in the Constitution allows for secession. The Supreme Court has ruled as such. What the South was attempting to do was illegal without the consent of the states as a whole.
Whether they had the right is irrelevant.
That they tried to do it in an illegal manner doesn’t mean they didn’t have a right to do it legally.
Had you read them there is no way you could lead your OP with this:
Hope it travels a different direction. I am not after political parties lining up pointing fingers. Rather, how do we feel, today, about States Rights, about the First Amendment covering the abolition and institution of a new government.
And, of course the irony of erasing the names of historical people who tried to do just that.
How do we feel about the United States, and those who try to separate from it? Should we, as a nation, be seriously considering this option, and if so, the ways (and the costs) of doing so?
Have you read the rest of what I wrote? And others? In all the years of slavery, no one went to war until secession.
So we agree that the South illegally tried to secede from the nation. Perhaps they should have thought of legal pathways before jumping to illegal methods?
I think it’s very relevant. We may be headed that way today ourselves.
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Read more.
Sure, we agree. They had a right to secede but not in the way they did.
