This is great!
And the US.

JayJay:
Start having less of an emphasis on sports by gender…start mixing in tier-based sports where tiers are based on athletic ability.
This.
So you hate the idea that girls should win any athletic events that require strength?
Venus Willams can probably beat 98% of men on the tennis court, but she would be lucky to make it past the first round at the men’s pro level.
They already are.

Samm:
Jezcoe:
coolidge:
Hey its all good. We understand, for libs, a fake woman’s rights is far more important than real women.
Seriously… most of the next generation does not have these concerns.
https://www.axios.com/lgbtq-generation-z-gallup-24551003-3bfa-414a-bbef-ff663368c4b5.html
No one hates on gays anymore… so move on to a moral panic involving a group with even less power.
It is all very predictable.
It’s not about hate; it’s about fairness.
Maybe to you, but its clearly hate for some based on their posts in this and other threads where transgender people are discussed.
There is a good reason why we don’t see many girls qualify to play on high school football teams and it’s not because they are not allowed to try out.

fallenturtle:
JayJay:
Start having less of an emphasis on sports by gender…start mixing in tier-based sports where tiers are based on athletic ability.
This.
So you hate the idea that girls should win any athletic events that require strength?
Venus Willams can probably beat 98% of men on the tennis court, but she would be lucky to make it past the first round at the men’s pro level.
If tiers were based on strength, would she play these men you speak of?

fallenturtle:
Samm:
Jezcoe:
coolidge:
Hey its all good. We understand, for libs, a fake woman’s rights is far more important than real women.
Seriously… most of the next generation does not have these concerns.
https://www.axios.com/lgbtq-generation-z-gallup-24551003-3bfa-414a-bbef-ff663368c4b5.html
No one hates on gays anymore… so move on to a moral panic involving a group with even less power.
It is all very predictable.
It’s not about hate; it’s about fairness.
Maybe to you, but its clearly hate for some based on their posts in this and other threads where transgender people are discussed.
There is a good reason why we don’t see many girls qualify to play on high school football teams and it’s not because they are not allowed to try out.
Can those reasons be quantified beyond chromosomes?

Jezcoe:
Eagle-Keeper:
So the percentage of the population who are non-heterosexual is growing exponentially? From your link:
Americans who self-identified as LGBTQ in 2021, by generation
Surveys of 12,416 U.S. adults conducted between January and December 2021
Gen Z
(Born 1997-2003)
20.8%
Millenials
(1981-1996)
10.5
Gen X
(1965-1980)
4.2
Baby boomers
(1946-1964)
2.6
Traditionalists
(before 1946)
0.8It is not that it is growing… it is that it is no longer considered shameful.
Are suggesting that the population has always been 20% non-heterosexual?
Of course, that is not what this thread is about, it’s about biological males competing head to head with biological females in athletics.
One can be queer and still be heterosexual.
The term queer is really broad these days.
If they do it by tiers, then many sports requiring upper body strength will never have any girls in it. And you know how much attention third tier teams would get.
You would be surprised how many people self identified in my upper middle class high school as taking hard drugs, in the 60s. It was BS.
Can anyone show even one instance where a female transitioning to male has even made the cut on the male team, let alone placed, or set a record, in all state HS, or NCAA level competition?

It is not that it is growing… it is that it is no longer considered shameful.
It is amazing this needs to be typed.

Samm:
fallenturtle:
JayJay:
Start having less of an emphasis on sports by gender…start mixing in tier-based sports where tiers are based on athletic ability.
This.
So you hate the idea that girls should win any athletic events that require strength?
Venus Willams can probably beat 98% of men on the tennis court, but she would be lucky to make it past the first round at the men’s pro level.
If tiers were based on strength, would she play these men you speak of?
Tiers based on strength? As measured how? And what about skill? Or are you just going for participation and not excellence?
This is getting flat out ridiculous.

Samm:
fallenturtle:
JayJay:
Start having less of an emphasis on sports by gender…start mixing in tier-based sports where tiers are based on athletic ability.
This.
So you hate the idea that girls should win any athletic events that require strength?
Venus Willams can probably beat 98% of men on the tennis court, but she would be lucky to make it past the first round at the men’s pro level.
If tiers were based on strength, would she play these men you speak of?
Of course, have you seen that woman? She’s a physical monster … but she would rarely win.

Samm:
fallenturtle:
Samm:
Jezcoe:
coolidge:
Hey its all good. We understand, for libs, a fake woman’s rights is far more important than real women.
Seriously… most of the next generation does not have these concerns.
https://www.axios.com/lgbtq-generation-z-gallup-24551003-3bfa-414a-bbef-ff663368c4b5.html
No one hates on gays anymore… so move on to a moral panic involving a group with even less power.
It is all very predictable.
It’s not about hate; it’s about fairness.
Maybe to you, but its clearly hate for some based on their posts in this and other threads where transgender people are discussed.
There is a good reason why we don’t see many girls qualify to play on high school football teams and it’s not because they are not allowed to try out.
Can those reasons be quantified beyond chromosomes?
Not chromosomes, genes. Genes determine physique. The chromosomes simply determine which genes activate so as to determine how the physique develops. Men who transition to women have the physique of a man no matter how woke you are about it.

fallenturtle:
Samm:
fallenturtle:
JayJay:
Start having less of an emphasis on sports by gender…start mixing in tier-based sports where tiers are based on athletic ability.
This.
So you hate the idea that girls should win any athletic events that require strength?
Venus Willams can probably beat 98% of men on the tennis court, but she would be lucky to make it past the first round at the men’s pro level.
If tiers were based on strength, would she play these men you speak of?
Tiers based on strength? As measured how? And what about skill? Or are you just going for participation and not excellence?
This is getting flat out ridiculous.
Are the differences between men and women that give one an advantage over the other in a particular sport measurable? If they are, then we should be able to get an array of data and group athletes based on it.

fallenturtle:
Samm:
fallenturtle:
Samm:
Jezcoe:
coolidge:
Hey its all good. We understand, for libs, a fake woman’s rights is far more important than real women.
Seriously… most of the next generation does not have these concerns.
https://www.axios.com/lgbtq-generation-z-gallup-24551003-3bfa-414a-bbef-ff663368c4b5.html
No one hates on gays anymore… so move on to a moral panic involving a group with even less power.
It is all very predictable.
It’s not about hate; it’s about fairness.
Maybe to you, but its clearly hate for some based on their posts in this and other threads where transgender people are discussed.
There is a good reason why we don’t see many girls qualify to play on high school football teams and it’s not because they are not allowed to try out.
Can those reasons be quantified beyond chromosomes?
Not chromosomes, genes. Genes determine physique. The chromosomes simply determine which genes activate so as to determine how the physique develops. Men who transition to women have the physique of a man no matter how woke you are about it.
Woke?

Are the differences between men and women that give one an advantage over the other in a particular sport measurable? If they are, then we should be able to get an array of data and group athletes based on it.
Yes, they are measurable. That’s called performance. The male species has the physical characteristics that give them the performance advantage over women in most athletic endeavors. That’s why there are men’s and women’s divisions in sports and that is why men who choose to become women and choose to compete athletically against women have an advantage over most women in the competition. Of course you can find some women who can out perform some men, but on the whole, women don’t stand a chance against men … and that includes men who have become women.

Woke?
Yes woke. If you are unsure what that is, look in the mirror.

coolidge:
Dude I asked a simple yes or no question. Are you for or against men competing in women’s sports? Instead I get lib gibberish. If you want to debate gay rights go make a thread.
It is a niche moral panic.
Some of this was pushed by this opinion piece by runner Ainsley Erzen.
You still haven’t owned up to the fact that you are for men competing in women’s sports.