Iowa Passes Make Sense Legislation

[PurpnGold]

@e7alr

Save your breath, we refuse the concept at any level. We reject it.

I heard gay people are actively… deliberately… turning straight people gay.

We should create a law to stop it! Who’s with me?

[WuWei]

Institutional racism!
Disproportionately affects!

[Janet_Miller]

Not in Iowa, but here are five examples:

Transgender Athletes Now Dominate Women's Sports - The People's Voice

[PurpnGold]

Oh yea… Mack Beggs.

@e7alr there is an example of a biological female dominating other females who would like to compete with other men.

[e7alr]

@PurpnGold

@e7alr

Save your breath, we refuse the concept at any level. We reject it.

I heard gay people are actively… deliberately… turning straight people gay.

We should create a law to stop it! Who’s with me?

You need to question what you hear a little more.

[e7alr]

Fine, let her try. She doesn’t have a biological advantage over the males. If biological female, she would probably have to overcome significant biological disadvantages compared to the average male, let alone the elite males in the sport. What age is the female and what sport?

[WuWei]

Just one?

[fallenturtle]

@Samm

@fallenturtle

Are the differences between men and women that give one an advantage over the other in a particular sport measurable? If they are, then we should be able to get an array of data and group athletes based on it.

Yes, they are measurable. That’s called performance. The male species has the physical characteristics that give them the performance advantage over women in most athletic endeavors. That’s why there are men’s and women’s divisions in sports and that is why men who choose to become women and choose to compete athletically against women have an advantage over most women in the competition. Of course you can find some women who can out perform some men, but on the whole, women don’t stand a chance against men … and that includes men who have become women.

If we can measure it, why can’t we create grouped tiers based on those measurements?

[fallenturtle]

@Samm

@fallenturtle

Woke?

Yes woke. If you are unsure what that is, look in the mirror.

You guys misuse that term. It seems I’m woke to the injustice of white right wingers taking something from AAVE and turning it into mockery.

[e7alr]

@fallenturtle

@Samm

@fallenturtle

Woke?

Yes woke. If you are unsure what that is, look in the mirror.

You guys misuse that term. It seems I’m woke to the injustice of white right wingers taking something from AAVE and turning it into mockery.

And the Greta Thunberg Award for spoken expression of moral outrage goes to… Now where is that envelope?

[Eagle-Keeper]

@PurpnGold

@e7alr

This is where the argument that science is on the side of the gender identity movement fails. Science is based on observable, measurable, repeatable facts. The transgender movement is a philosophy, not science.
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Psychology/Sociology are not sciences?

Why can’t we just leave them be? This is a non issue.

They are fields of study, but neither is a hard science. If that reality hurts, too bad.

Here’s the thing, who gets to decide what type of sexuality and/or sexual preferences is “normal”? How much of it is based on demonstrable scientific facts vs feelings a person has? I’ve not attempted to study this area but from what I can tell the argument is that ALL these people (about 21% according to Jezcoe’s link) are born that way and we all need to accept it. Well, does that not beg the question then are pedophiles simply born that way? What about people who like beastiality? What about people who feel the need to rape others?

[e7alr]

First, does one out of every 5 people you know claim that they are transgender, or gender fluid? To be 20 percent would be 1 out of five. This reminds me when it was claimed that 1 out of 10 people were gay. It turned out to be 2-3 out of every 100. Kids go along to be cool, helps get through the day if there are woke adults in your school.

[WuWei]

@fallenturtle

If we can measure it, why can’t we create grouped tiers based on those measurements?

We have. That’s why there are women and men’s sports.

[fallenturtle]

@e7alr

@fallenturtle

@Samm

@fallenturtle

Woke?

Yes woke. If you are unsure what that is, look in the mirror.

You guys misuse that term. It seems I’m woke to the injustice of white right wingers taking something from AAVE and turning it into mockery.

And the Greta Thunberg Award for spoken expression of moral outrage goes to… Now where is that envelope?

The award covers sarcasm?

[Samm]

@Jezcoe

@Samm

@Jezcoe

@Eagle-Keeper

So the percentage of the population who are non-heterosexual is growing exponentially? From your link:

Americans who self-identified as LGBTQ in 2021, by generation
Surveys of 12,416 U.S. adults conducted between January and December 2021
Gen Z
(Born 1997-2003)
20.8%
Millenials
(1981-1996)
10.5
Gen X
(1965-1980)
4.2
Baby boomers
(1946-1964)
2.6
Traditionalists
(before 1946)
0.8

It is not that it is growing… it is that it is no longer considered shameful.

Are suggesting that the population has always been 20% non-heterosexual?

Of course, that is not what this thread is about, it’s about biological males competing head to head with biological females in athletics.

One can be queer and still be heterosexual.

The term queer is really broad these days.

That probably makes sense in your head, but it does not answer my question.

[Samm]

@DougBH

If they do it by tiers, then many sports requiring upper body strength will never have any girls in it. And you know how much attention third tier teams would get.

You are correct. There are very few sports where the top echelon women athletes can match their male counterparts. Off the top of my head I can only think of three … Shooting, curling and dog mushing.

[Samm]

@Guilds

@Jezcoe

It is not that it is growing… it is that it is no longer considered shameful.

It is amazing this needs to be typed.

No, what’s amazing is that anyone believes that 20% of the population fits into one of the LGBTQ+ categories.

[Samm]

@Jezcoe

@NJBob

@Jezcoe

One can be queer and still be heterosexual.

The term queer is really broad these days.

How’s that again? I haven’t heard that before.

All queer means is that someone does not follow gender norms.

Someone can be genderqueer and still be heterosexual.

It is a pretty broad category.

If that were true, there would be no need for the L, G, B, T, or the +.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@e7alr

Male and female biology is just so obviously different.

Nobody is arguing this point.

Im mostly saying, it’s a non issue either way. I say just leave them alone for now. I don’t see a reason to enact a law to ban them from woman’s sports.

It may be a non-issue to you, but it is an issue for female athletes being crushed by males who claim to be female.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

@PurpnGold

@e7alr

Male and female biology is just so obviously different.

Nobody is arguing this point.

Im mostly saying, it’s a non issue either way. I say just leave them alone for now. I don’t see a reason to enact a law to ban them from woman’s sports.

THEY AREN’T WOMEN!

Damn!

ITS NOT AN ISSUE!

Damn!

It’s yet another example of Republicans attacking LGBTQ over non issues. These people have been using bathrooms AND playing sports of their identity for as long as those entities existed.

80,000+ HS athletes compete in Iowa. We can assume 50% of them are female. How many trans woman in Iowa have entered a sport and dominated? Or even compete?

I just don’t thing a state law is necessary to restrict. Sends a bad message.

Yes … bad for boys and men who don’t want to compete against people who can beat them.