If rights come from government…

[Guvnah]

@Samson_Corwell

“Entitlement” is part of the definition of a “right”.

You demonstrate the problem I described.

[Guvnah]

@Publius

Where exactly did the creator of humanity specify gun rights?

My post addressed human rights.

I don’t consider gun ownership an actual HUMAN right. But I do consider the right to self-defense a human right.

I can argue that our constitution has counted gun ownership as a means of self-defense, but I think that’s going down a rathole I’m not interested in participating in.

[WuWei]

@highroller

@WuWei

The overwhelming majority of society doesn’t own the right. I do.

You’re trying to make it a privilege.

How about if the overwhelming majority of society decides you don’t get to speak?

Most of the world does not have freedom of speech. Our society here in the US voted to make it a right.

Well that’s not true at all.

[WuWei]

@adroit

@WuWei

The overwhelming majority of society doesn’t own the right. I do.

You’re trying to make it a privilege.

How about if the overwhelming majority of society decides you don’t get to speak?

Then it’d be a pretty ■■■■■ society that I wouldn’t want to be a part of.

Backatcha.

[WuWei]

@merickson

@WuWei

@merickson

Appealing to the non-governmental source of rights is about as effective as appealing to that same source for rain.

Until revolution. How many times did the colonists appeal to the government? How did they actually get their rights back?

That validates my point. Rights are not secured by appeals to God, they are secured by the actions of government, whether that government be the Crown, the Continental Congress, SCOTUS, or People’s Revolutionary Councils. Transitioning between different governments (revolutions) doesn’t change the fact that God may be the source of rights, but if the people are to get them, God’s not going to do anything.

The only rights that people get are those that government recognizes and delivers. If a government doesn’t deliver, revolution (i.e. new government) by the people is what happens.

Rights from God is a philosophical answer to the position of God giving us Kings to rule wisely. Both are rhetorical appeals with no practical effect. Charles I argued that God gave him rule over England, all the way to the gallows. Slaves argued that God gave them rights, all the way until congress passed the 14th Amendment.

Revolutions are not governments. Governments come after the revolution.

The 1st Continental Congress was useless. The 2nd and Declaration of Independence came after the revolution started.

Rights give rise to outrage when violated. Outrage and moral authority are necessary for revolution.

Fair/cheating is a very strong moral foundation.

[WuWei]

@merickson

The only rights that people get are those that government recognizes and delivers.

When did the revolution end and when was the Bill of Rights ratified?

[mobulis]

@WuWei

@merickson

The only rights that people get are those that government recognizes and delivers.

When did the revolution end and when was the Bill of Rights ratified?

When your rights are violated who do you go to to rectify this?

[highroller]

Which part?

[Cratic3947]

Rights come from God! Govt is put in place by the people to secure their rights…

[WuWei]

@highroller

Which part?

Both parts.

[WuWei]

@Cratic3947

Rights come from God! Govt is put in place by the people to secure their rights…

Do atheists have rights?

[WuWei]

I find it interesting the claim that “government secures rights” when the entire Bill of Rights is a prohibition of violating rights - on the government.

[Cratic3947]

@WuWei

@Cratic3947

Rights come from God! Govt is put in place by the people to secure their rights…

Do atheists have rights?

Yes… But they define them as the rights nature gave all living creature…= Natural rights.

Atheism is a religion and protected by the constitution…

[WuWei]

@Cratic3947

@WuWei

@Cratic3947

Rights come from God! Govt is put in place by the people to secure their rights…

Do atheists have rights?

Yes… But they define them as the rights nature gave all living creature…= Natural rights.

Atheism is a religion and protected by the constitution…

Do they? I see most of them claiming rights come from government/society/wherever.

[Cratic3947]

@WuWei

@Cratic3947

@WuWei

@Cratic3947

Rights come from God! Govt is put in place by the people to secure their rights…

Do atheists have rights?

Yes… But they define them as the rights nature gave all living creature…= Natural rights.

Atheism is a religion and protected by the constitution…

Do they? I see most of them claiming rights come from government/society/wherever.

Ok then, I’ll say they should define them as the rights nature gave all living creature…= Natural rights.

[WuWei]

@Cratic3947

@WuWei

@Cratic3947

@WuWei

@Cratic3947

Rights come from God! Govt is put in place by the people to secure their rights…

Do atheists have rights?

Yes… But they define them as the rights nature gave all living creature…= Natural rights.

Atheism is a religion and protected by the constitution…

Do they? I see most of them claiming rights come from government/society/wherever.

Ok then, I’ll say they should define them as the rights nature gave all living creature…= Natural rights.

But the libs aren’t saying that. They’re saying government/society.

They say rights are whatever 51% vote yes on.

[WuWei]

@Samson_Corwell

…then why does it follow that it can change what rights a person has? Why couldn’t it be that rights come from government AND that government can’t just pick any possible set of rights to implement? Do you understand what I mean?

If rights come from the government, why can’t the government pick?

[conan]

I agree…but that’s not what libs are saying. They’re unable to free themselves from nature of authoritarian government.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

But the libs aren’t saying that. They’re saying government/society.

That’s because they are.

Who gave women the right to vote? God or Government?

[CanadianJudo]

@WuWei

I find it interesting the claim that “government secures rights” when the entire Bill of Rights is a prohibition of violating rights - on the government.

Yes because American people gave themselves a set of right and the bill of right stop the government from violating them.

Its why you can add to it if American people feel something else should become a right.

Its why my rights as a Canadian and your right as an American are different because we value different things.