If NATO membership for Ukraine was a known bright red line for Russia, why did Biden promote it?

There’s been NOTHING clear since Brandon was elected except that he…or should I say his handlers are taking this country down a bad path.

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Biden is a textbook politician he is quite easy to read on geopolitics.
Biden will not risk nuclear attack on American soil for Ukraine there is obligation.

to Trump credit he was a wildcard you never knew what he was going, Trump was self-destruction on the world stage which was a benefit to Putin but also he was unpredictable which is why Putin simply waited it someone more predicable was in office.

If there is not unanimous agreement for a nation to join, that nation is effectively rejected.

You know sometimes it’s just a flag. Not a false flag, just a regular flag.

When a Russian puppet politician was president of Ukraine? Get outta town.

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Yep, but since the rejection isn’t official they can still meet with NATO and NATO will still review their progress to meeting membership requirement which is what Ukraine was doing.

Yes,

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Ukraine has been trying to join since 2015.

This is what the world will look like if WW3 breaks those who survive.

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Mine would be plumb crazy purple.

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its a non issue. so long as there was a conflict in ukraine, nato rules do not allow it to enter. putin controlled that simply by supporting the low level seperatist movements. eu membership was likely, and that was likely the bigger problem. he had no control over that

and it was against nato rules so long as there was conflict in the country. its a non issue, issue

you don’t think putin knows nato is a defensive alliance? its a threat to russian expansionism. not to russia (so long as they don’t attack a nato country)

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Yes, NATO was founded as a defensive alliance. The primary purpose was to prevent a Soviet invasion into western Europe. It filled that mission very well.

Since the end of the Cold War, NATO is no longer purely defensive. NATO led attacks in Serbia in the 1990’s. In 2001 it invaded Afghanistan and remained there for 20 years. In 2011 it bombed Libya.

These offensive actions have stoked Russian fears that NATO could launch attacks on Russia.

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a-stan was a response to an attack

both serbia and lybian wars were unlawful

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And as a member of the EU, they will.

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unless putin succeeds in overthrowing zalensky, which if he sticks to it is all but certain, in the long run his actions are counter productive. a conflict free ukraine is free to be admitted into nato. the simmering low level seperatist movements were a gaurantee it could not be admitted.

…and mine would be Daytona sunrise orange.

…cuz I get up early. :sunglasses: :tumbler_glass:

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Yes, the initial attack to take out Al Qaeda in Afghanistan was in response to the 9-11 attacks. On the other hand, occupying Afghanistan for the next 19 years was not.

US participation NATO attacks in Serbia and Libya was not authorized by the US congress. The bombing campaigns were not in response to an attack on a NATO country, and they both resulted on large numbers of civilian deaths.

What would prevent similar NATO aggression in the future?

Are Russians paranoid about NATO or just realistic?

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Interesting video from Jimmy Dore and Aaron Mate about the events in Ukraine since 2014. For many years Aaron Mate was on Democracy Now, a far-left website. Jimmy Dore is a Bernie supporter.

I guess both will now be labeled right-wing Russian operatives since they are disputing narratives about Ukraine that have been filling corporate media for many years.

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