ICE says Sanctuary City Released Illegal Immigrant Who Then Murdered 3 The Next Day

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are you suggesting the government detain people without due process?

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The city had no warrant to hold him any longer so they released him, ICE asked for them to detain him without due process, they said no.

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so your suggesting the state of New Jersey illegal detain someone at request of the federal government without due process?

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Why do you compel to re-write the issue in the form of another unrelated interrogatory?

Immigration is not complicated. Follow the rulesā€¦make them easier to follow if we mustā€¦just follow the rules.

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If ICE had gotten a judge order to detain him they would have, but they didnā€™t they asked for him to be detained without due process.

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That excuse is not going to assuage the anger over his release.

ā€œYet again, an ICE detainer was ignored and a dangerous criminal alien was released to the streets and is now charged with killing three people,ā€ Price said. ā€œHad ICEā€™s detainer request in December 2017 been honored by Middlesex County Jail, Luis Rodrigo Perez would have been placed in deportation proceedings and likely sent home to his country ā€“ and three innocent people might be alive today.

ā€œIt is past time that localities realize the perils of dangerous sanctuary policies and resume their primary goal of protecting their residents,ā€ Price added.

ā€œYet again, an ICE detainer

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ICE detainer are not issued by a judge.
they have no due process.

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The detainer wasnt ignored, it was incompleteā€¦

And they had 51 days to correct the detainer and never bothered to submit a correct oneā€¦

So due to ices incompetence 3 people were murderedā€¦

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OK. That is a lawyerly and lame argument.

That will not assuage the anger over sanctuary policy that spits in the face of federal law and unleashes monsters with nothing to lose on our citizens.

:money_with_wings:

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OK. That is a lawyerly and lame argument.

That will not assuage the anger over sanctuary policy that spits in the face of federal law and unleashes monsters with nothing to lose on our citizens.

:cry:

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due process isnā€™t spiting in the face of federal law.

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Due process is for US citizens.

Note the CITIZENS partā€¦

Due process means that all citizens are guaranteed certain rights even if they have committed crimes. They cannot be required to testify against themselves (5th amendment). They have the right to have an attorney if they cannot afford one, and to a fair, speedy and public trial (6th amendment). No citizen can be tortured, no matter how bad of a crime they have committed (8th amendment). In the United States, the concept of due process means that you are considered innocent, until you have been proven guilty in the court of law. You have the right to:

  1. A fair trial.

  2. Be told what crimes you are being accused of.

  3. Explain why you are innocent, including the right to present evidence and call witnesses.

  4. Know what evidence is being used to accuse you.

  5. Have the person accusing you in court.

  6. A court decision based only on the evidence provided in court.

  7. A lawyer, even if you canā€™t afford one.

  8. A punishment appropriate for the crime. You cannot be tortured or fined excessively.

  9. The court must keep a record of the trial and all the evidence, as well as make a written report explaining the reason for their decision.

*Due process can include many other rights, which are much more specific to certain types of cases and situations.

Not for monsters who prefer jail to the broken existence they fled.

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no due process is for anyone with jurisdiction of the united states government.

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You cannot asterisk your way to acceptance of a broken sanctuary policy.

These types of crimes are what the (quasi-legal) immigrants are supposedly fleeing and instead they are importing.

I guess the lawyers can hold their noses and collect some billable hours anyway.

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asking for the federal government to get a proper warrant to have someone detained in jail isnā€™t a bad thing. unless you think the government should have the power to detain people without oversight.

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Of course they are criminal policies, against society, and sanctuary city officials and their specific ā€œcriteriaā€ requirements to uphold a ICE detainer request need to be held accountable. Itā€™s disgusting but not surprising that liberal sanctuary city officials care more for power, aka ā€œvotesā€ then they do societyā€™s safety.

In this case they just ignored the ICE retainer request and Iā€™m wondering if they even notified ICE of their criteria requirements, probably not because the arrogance of liberals and Dems is that they are above Federal Law and can do whatever they want.

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um they are asking the ICE to follow federal law and get a proper warrant to detain someone with due process.

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Another way to look at it is that they are releasing monsters with nothing to lose to prey on soft fat Americans that donā€™t deserve peace and law.

Just a matter of perspective and opinionā€¦

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It is worth noting that this tangent is being engaged by a Canadian that probably enjoys having these monsters weeded out in the US before they can get too far north.

Of course I could be wrongā€¦JMHO.

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so if the government labeled you a monster, you would be cool with them detaining you without due process?