How will a Medicare for all system make things better and cheaper for the middle class?

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Also, what about this?

Another third-party measure of insurers came in a 2012 survey by the Colorado-based Medical Group Management Association, a professional association of medical group administrators and executives. The group claims more than 33,000 members.

In that survey asking administrators about their experience with the payers, Medicare did best, with a score for overall satisfaction of 3.53 out of 5, followed by Cigna (3.20), Aetna (3.16), Coventry (3.00) and United Healthcare (2.77).

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Well, you stick with your personal anecdote if you want but I am going to go ahead and give the AMA more credibility myself.

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Is satisfaction a synonym for lack of claim denials and nobody told me?

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Huh? That is literally the next paragraph from your article?

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Like I said, that is not direct data and was a survey done by a third party… so yeah.

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sigh a survey of doctors, seems to me they might be in a pretty good position to know who denies their billing claims.

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And the Colorado survey is not valid?

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That part of my post was referring back to your previous post replicated above.

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Looks like the source you provided is a mixed bag, with a survey that shows Medicare is preferred from a claim perspective (Colorado survey), and others that show they may have had higher claim denials, but the data has lots of variability and is not directly from the insurance companies.

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Doctors don’t do their own billing.

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Again, the Colorado survey asked about satisfaction, not strictly claim denial rates.

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And? Do they need to physically do it themselves to have access to the pertinent data on claim denials?

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So a random sampling by a third party is more accurate than their overall satisfaction?

Again, nothing you provided is hard data, only a survey using random sampling.

I say your source is zero sum in regard to backing your claims… no pun intended :wink:

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When you are talking about insurance claim denials I would hardly call the people who are trying to bill them only to get declined a third party.

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Pretty much since they have staff for that.

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Are their staffs keeping claim denial rates a secret from their bosses? Why would they do such a thing?

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This is an exceedingly simplistic analysis and doesn’t take into account substantial differences in the type and characteristics of various patients.

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yep… my wife just had knee surgery.

the bill from the hospital was over 100k.
what he hospital actually got between us and teh insurance company was 18k.

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Same when I had hernia surgery a few years ago. Bill to the insurance company was a little over $23k. Final bill was a little over $9k.

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I don’t know you tell me.