How is it that nearly 30% of Harvard's students are foreigners?

Yes they could bow to unconstitutional demands of an administration. But thankfully they have principles.

Notice Penn never takes heat.

I’m actually split in thsi. Yes, internal records of a private institution…no need for government snooping lacking evidence of a crime. However, these are records of the activities of foreign actors that private institution is sponsoring…government probably should have access to records of those activities.

All in all, I think this strikes a good balance…no government access to private entity records. No foreign actors for that private entity to have records of.

Win, win.

Foreign actors?

Well, they’re foreign and they’re acting.

Studying physics or finance is acting?

Unless they’re a rock just sitting there…yes.

Foreign actor is a term I associate with members of foreign administrations.

Not students.

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And the state department already investigated all these student…er, ā€˜actors’…when their student visas were issued. Why do they need to see records on them?

I am entirely too liberal to think this way :upside_down_face:. But that’s a good point

Ok, I don’t…I associate it with someone performing na action.

It was however attacked at multiple schools

You are comparing this to desegregation

:man_facepalming:

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I think if someone is here on a visa, they have been investigated by the state department. Now, they are here, they are subject to our laws, and they enjoy the rights of a legally present alien.

If they break a law, charge them. Otherwise, leave them alone.

We’re creating a teired system, were some people in the US are subject to a completely different set of rules…and that’s not American

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Actors change roles. (Or can.) That’s not something new.

PS: I’m just answering the question. There is so much grey area and so many overlapping principles in the Harvard question … I’m not sure where I stand on this at all.

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I think if the government can grant you permission to temporarily reside in the country, it should be able to maintian some notion of what you’re doing while residing here. The level of that insight is absolutely debatable.

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If the change roles, as in break a law, charge them, then consider deporting them.

I think it’s fundamentally unamerican for an administration to go digging through a private institutions records looking for…for what exactly? Reasons to kick them out?

You want to see their records, get a subpoena.

They were vetted and earned a visa. They are subject to our laws a regulations. They break one, then revisit their visa.

Sure. And I’ sure for everyone who has a student visa, there is a file at the state department. They can maintain their own files on those students.

They want to read Harvard’s files? Sure. Get a subpoena.

If the Supreme Court rules the administration can end visas if they don’t get this information. We are talking the legal authority of the federal government in both cases.
Obviously you aren’t familiar with ā€œdue deliberate speedā€ and how this was applied…starting with Little Rock.

This is where I’m split, how much authority should government have in this regard. Havard is granted permission (well, not no more) to sponsore foreign students, those students are granted permision to temporarily reside here while they study. I don’t know where I stand on just how far the government can dig into this.

How about that the school provide evidence that they are studying?