No I posted this year’s and focused on this years because that is news.
The prior president (whom I don’t like btw) also felt thsiwas a problem and tried quitepubicly to close the border and build a wall.
(You recall the wall thing, don’t you?)
D’s, especially mayors, all across the country also feel the southern border is a problem although their solution is more about politicizing it into some sort of NIMBYism or “We need to give them welfare! Send me money so I can give them welfare!” etc…
My main point, and I was hoping that the thread would be adult enough that we could eventually get there, is that the Southern border and our policies having a very very serious detrimental effect on the economy, jobs and wages across the entire economy.,
Wages not rising with inflation? Guess why.
Lowest quintile growing so quickly that (statistically) "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer? Guess why.
Etc.
And as I have explained to you over and over again that line item in the bls report remains the silliest way to complain about illegal immigration.
I know the desire to insult is strong. I get it.
But it remains true that you have concentrated on a number without comparing to past numbers when allegedly the border was more secure than now.
And then you went on to make up things to explain why the number is so high based on your complete misunderstanding of how asylees can work in the United States or even how the status is assigned.
I was using asylum-seekers merely as an example I thought you got that.
My “insults” were intended to ridicule those who pretend
that the 1.74 million new foreign hires somehow came from the 65,000 H-1 visa workers and not the 2,556,164 illegals caught crossing the border YtD.
It is an idiotic argument.
Feigning stupidity (like pretending to think the huge increase in foreign-born persons working here means something other than the tidal wave of criminal migrants at the southern border)
is not grown-up discussion it is feigned stupidity and it is offensive.
I merely responded as offended people often do.
Naturalized citizens are foreign born. As are green card holders.
It has to be intentional at this point. Talk about pretending.
Nobody is denying that asylees with work permits are part of that number.
You have zero clue as to what portion.
The absolutely best part of this thread is that “they are coming here for the freebies and to be leeches” completely destroyed. If you are right of course.
I have a pretty good clue.
Personal experience, keeping informed with the news and the hard numbers
This year, 1.74 million more US jobs are filled by persons born abroad than were filled by such persons last year.
65,000 h-1 visa per year does not fill 1.74 million jobs filled by persons born abroad/. ← You know this and pretend you don’t.
2,556,164 illegals caught crossing the border YtD does fill 1.74 million jobs filled by persons born abroad. ← You know this and pretend you don’t.
You know these things in your heart and mind and don’t even need to see the numbers again.
Pretending you need to see those number or pretending those numbers don’t matter is un-adult of you (like that meme where the bird is dumping food on the ground and says “no I’m not.”
So it is intentional. You are purposefully ignoring who makes up that number other than asylees. Astonishing.
Step 1 take numbers
Step 2 assume things
Step 3 be assured in your assumptions
Me: What were the number increases in prior years when the border was more secure?
You: only todays numbers are important because they are news
Any croom who walks across the border illegally is given working permission and s free cell phone as soon as he finds a birder agent and dclares “I want asylum.”
If granted asylum (rare) the work-eligibilty made permanent.
Any look at the numbers shows that is where the jobs are going and, (supply and demand says) that is why wages don’t keep pace with inflation.
Hmm did you write “aren’t counted?”
Did you write it in caps?
Anyway it seems they are counted and that 65,000 legal immigrant doctors and scientists did NOT fill 1.74 million newly created American jobs. (I thought that was common sense.)
With over 2.6 million “interactions” between BPS and illegal criminal migrants on the southern border just in the first 8 months of this year, there is a pretty good chance the explanation is there.
We can address that
or we can once again change the topic to
the status of bogus asylum-seekers
or my feelings bout Trump or whatever the next distraction is gonna be.
But when the distractions are over, there appears to be no rational way of denying that our southern order problems are having a very pronounced and identifiable impact on wages not keeping pace with inflation.
It is true and it is an immaterial change-of-topic anyway
The definition given by BLS clearly includes undocumented migrants.
Thus when BLS states that TWO-THIRDS of newly-created jobs (ttm) went to persons who were born abroad and were not citizens at birth, that includes
65,000 H-1 visa recipients and
2 million or more illegal migrants who break our border laws for the purpose of taking jobs here.
Clearly, with two-thirds of newly created jobs going to such people they are having a very profound negative impact on the economy (wages etc.) and our laws and the enforcement of our existing laws should be amended to reduce that negative impact.
Would you discuss which amendments would achieve that?
I’d be happy to do that.
The number is based on a monthly BLS survey of 66,000 businesses
(and later revised according to whatever tax forms etc. businesses actually file with the government.)
I have to believe that the survey responses would be less honest if they specifically asked employers to disclose illegal activity.
