Global warming is real


#1491

Try reading the posted articles or maybe some basic chemistry tutoring is in order.

http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchembook/511natgascombust.html


#1492

So you’re saying burning fossil fuels warms the planet.

Glad to have you on our side.


#1493

It appears you have converted Wildrose to a human-induced global warming believer! Congrats!


#1494

Not just fossil fuels. Even nuclear reactors produce a tremendous amount of steam and vapor.


#1495

“Tremendous” is incredibly vague and unscientific.

Until you can quantify it, you have no idea if it’s significant or not.


#1496

Nobody has even attempted to calculate it. The cited studies however prove it’s a significant factor.


#1497

Yes, but we’ve already known it’s a significant factor just based on feedback from CO2 warming. If you haven’t calculated the amount of water vapor produced, then don’t pretend to know it’s a “tremendous” amount. Very unscientific.


#1498

And none of your rejections are based on good science, they’re based ENTIRELY on ideology and an agenda. You have an ideology, you have an agenda, then you try to justify your objections with pseudo-science, hand-waving, and general claptrap. Continually comparing natural cycles, spanning 10’s of thousands to millions of years, to man-made changes occurring over spans of decades and centuries, for example, ignoring entirely the orders of magnitude difference in time scales. It’s all as transparent as a diamond window.


#1499

There were times in the past when the temperature was incompatible with what defines our level of civilization. So what?


#1500

What sort of evidence would you expect a one time only event to leave? Any large object on an erratic course or highly elliptical orbit passing near Earth could have collided with another planet, moon or the sun long before the first astronomer was born.

It is a physical fact that all masses in space are attracted to each other. Even when they orbit a sun on near parallel, near circular orbits, they affect each other’s orbits, the effect is predictable. When they pass near each other on incompatible orbits, the effect is not only unperedictable, it also cannot be calculated unless it was observed. Man has only been capable of accurately observing, measuring and recording an event like that for a few hundred years, and not surprisingly, has not done so. To draw the conclusion that because no such event has been recorded that it has never happened in the past is completely unscientific and purely illogical.


#1501

That is not what it said. It says water valor increase from irrigation is offset by deforestation. All agricultural produces water vapor (what do you think trees are?) and most is not irrigated.


#1502

I’ve never said it hasn’t happened on the past but it is extremely unlikely to have occurred in the relatively recent history. Extra solar objects are extremely rare. Objects large enough to be a problem in the solar system would have been detected by now.


#1503

Part of the problem is this: go back 50 years, maybe 100 years and the only thing we know of that make re-appearances are comets. Mainly becuase they have the tail that draws attention to them. If it’s something that comes through and doesn’t leave a tail, it’s a crap shoot if we see it or not today. 50 years ago even more of a crap shoot. 100 years, well you get the point.


#1504

If we haven’t seen it, then it isn’t that significant.


#1505

So now you are moving the bar to “recent history?” Is 2-3 million years recent history in your mind? Because it is to the solar system and Earth.


#1506

That’s nonsense.


#1507

Really?

Then how come the last few years they are NOW just finding smaller ones that are coming extremely close to the earth.

Did they just start doing that recently? Or have they been doing it for melenium and we just never knew about it.

On the other hand, the potentially more interesting asteroid — named asteroid 2018 CB — will pass by Earth on Friday, February 9, at around 5:30 p.m. EST. With an estimated size of between 50 and 130 feet (15 and 40 meters), this asteroid is not just larger than 2018 CC, but it also passes much closer to our planet. Asteroid 2018 CB will skirt by Earth at a distance of 39,000 miles (64,000 km), bringing it five times closer to us than the Moon.

And these items are ONLY being detected with new technolody and only when they are very close or have already passed.

Now imagine something lurking out there that only comes through our solar system once every 1,000 years, or 2,000 years. Are you 100% certain that we would be able to see it out past Pluto, and I’m talking way past Pluto?

The other thing you have to remember. Not only are the plantes moving around the sun, the solar system is part of a Galaxy that is spinning, and moving through space.

A lot of variables that we might not even understand.


#1508

Yes, but Wildrose and samm are proposing something coming by every 100,000 years and having enough mass to effect our orbit. It’s an interesting theory but seems pretty remote in probability.

The eccentricity of the orbit would be higher than anything known. And our system has been sweeping itself clean due to the gas giants large gravity.

I’d be interesting in hearing from an astrophysicist to better understand the pros and cons of the theory.


#1509

Here’s some usefull information.

Evidence of a plant x that is in orbit beyond Pluto. They think it’s 10 times the size of Eath. They think it has an eliptical orbit. They think it travels around the sun once every 15,000 years.

Now if this giant is lurking out there . . . why havn’t we seen it? Something is out there. eveidence points to something out there. If we can’t find this thing that close to us, then how would we find something that has a 100,000 year orbit?


#1510

Agreed. That’s my point. How far out would it have to to have a 100,000 year orbit vs this 15k orbit? And to have its minor axis intercept the earth? I don’t even know if that’s possible.