Giuliani, What are you doing!?

First Giuliani confirms that Trump knew about the Stormy payment, and repaid Cohen. Then he states the payment was so the Stormy news would not have come out during the campaign. And now he says this.

Giuliani said he was concerned that the president would become a target or that the interview would be a perjury trap, because the “truth is relative.” The president’s legal team continues to try to set limitations on an interview, including the duration and questions posed, he said.

“They may have a different version of the truth than we do,” Giuliani said.

Giuliani is essentially saying that Trump may commit perjury, because Truth is relative, and Mueller may have a different truth than Trump.

Then he said this:

In a recent interview with HuffPost, Giuliani initially disputed the notion that Trump’s daily citing, in the final month of his campaign, of Russian-aligned WikiLeaks and its release of Russian-stolen emails constituted “colluding” with Russia.

“It is not,” Giuliani said.

Then he switched tacks.

“OK, and if it is, it isn’t illegal… It was sort of like a gift,” he said. “And you’re not involved in the illegality of getting it.”

The emails were a gift! Also, colluding isn’t illegal.

Trump hiring Giuliani, has been such gift.

I quit trying to figure out the strategy for all the stupid moves and comments. I just assume they’re incompetent until they prove otherwise.

Under Federal election law, a “gift” is known as an “in-kind contribution.” That’s an actual thing that shoudl be reported.

Fortunately, Trump’s not subject to reporting in-kind contributions because it was “sort of like a gift”, which means it totally wasn’t a gift except it was.


Plus he admitted the gift was initially illegally obtained.

So, to recap:

  • Illegally obtained emails.
  • Yeah, they were illegally obtained, but Trump didn’t illegally obtain them, he just benefitted from them.
  • Totally just a gift, or sort of like a gift.
  • Maybe not a gift if that sounds wrong after he says it.
  • We live in a universe where someone who makes this case is actually licensed to practice law and has a client in the form of the President of the United States.

It’s like they think they’re scoring points because Mueller’s team is not responding. Sure, they get to throw ■■■■ out there and see if it stick in a one-sided conversation, but they have to realize that Mueller’s team is listening to this stuff, right?

Keith Morrison Voice: Or do they?

We live in a universe where an lawyer who has the POTUS as a client has to make these kinds of cases.

It’s not that Giuliani is a fan of lemonade, but if all that he’s handed is lemons, he knows what to do with them.

I think it’s total buffoonery and incompetence that is unintentionally turning into totally effective gaslighting.

I think Rudy is going senile. Pretty soon he’ll have Trump agreeing to an interview with a koala and denying that his client puts ketchup on his Cap’n Crunch.

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It doesn’t matter with respect to the actual investigation. Mueller is either going to find bed stuff or he’s not. It’s not like what Trump & Giuliani say is affecting him. He’s just going to go about his business and do his job. They do fire up the base though but that doesn’t matter.

Like John Oliver said. It really is Stupid Watergate, the incompetence, is just astounding.

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Just further proof that Trump only hired the best. :rofl:

In all seriousness, it shows how horrible of a client he really is. When he has scraped the bottom of the barrel and had to hire Giuliani to represent him. A man who has not argued a case in court in what, 30 years?

So Rudy, who knows better, is trying to make it sound like an attempt to receive known stolen property isn’t a crime in and of itself? That’s not criminal, it’s a “gift”!

Trump and Rudy go way back in their criminality.

Rudy and Donald first got together in the late 1980s shortly before Donald became a co-chair of Giuliani’s first fundraiser for his 1989 mayoral campaign, sitting on the Waldorf dais and steering $41,000 to the campaign. A year earlier, Tony Lombardi, the federal agent closest to then-U.S. Attorney Giuliani, opened a probe of Trump’s role in the suspect sale of two Trump Tower apartments to Robert Hopkins, the mob-connected head of the city’s largest gambling ring.

Trump attended the closing himself and Hopkins arrived with a briefcase loaded with up to $200,000 in cash, a deposit the soon-to-felon counted at the table. Despite Hopkins’ wholesale lack of verifiable income or assets, he got a loan from a Jersey bank that did business with Trump’s casino. A Trump limo delivered the cash to the bank.

The government subsequently nailed Hopkins’ mortgage broker, Frank LaMagra, on an unrelated charge and he offered to give up Donald, claiming Trump “participated” in the money-laundering — and volunteering to wear a wire on him.

Instead, Lombardi, who discussed the case with Giuliani personally (and with me for a 1993 Village Voice piece called “The Case of the Missing Case”), went straight to Donald for two hour-long interviews with him. Within weeks of the interviews, Donald announced he’d raise $2 million in a half hour if Rudy ran for mayor. Lamagra got no deal and was convicted, as was his mob associate, Louis (Louie HaHa) Attanasio, who was later also nailed for seven underworld murders. Hopkins was convicted of running his gambling operation partly out of the Trump Tower apartment, where he was arrested.

Lombardi — who expected a top appointment in a Giuliani mayoralty, conducted several other probes directly tied to Giuliani political opponents, and testified later that “every day I came to work I went to Mr. Giuliani to seek out what duties I needed to perform” — closed the Trump investigation without even giving it a case number. That meant that New Jersey gaming authorities would never know it existed.

Old news but it explains why Rudy and Trump have this solidarity amongst thieves relationship and why he’ll take on the job no decent lawyer in the country will. And that old news is definitely going to matter for prosecutors

Oh, that just shows Trump is using some sort of magic eleventh dimensiony thinking that is going to make his team win so often that they’re going to get tired of…

Never mind - I can’t finish that…


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Right there is a great example of truth being relative. “Your” truth sees what I quoted from your post. “My” truth sees Giuliani’s statement as saying that Mueller can interpret what Trumps says to mean something different from what Trump meant it to say.

I truly doubt that Giuliani is saying that Trump will commit perjury. I think Giuliani would agree with me that the inquisition and the media spin will find perjury somewhere in Trump’s statements because that’s what they want to find.

You don’t have to agree with “my truth”. I’m just pointing out a common paradigm that occurs with almost any politically immersed issue and/or statement.

He should have put them in his mouth.

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