LOL, thats pathetic. I haven’t stated any propaganda of any sort. You on the other hand are flat out lying about dead people. Worst part is that’s not even Russian propaganda, its just yours. In your des[aration to make Putin not look so bad.
Me personally? I don’t give a ■■■■ about Putin. I just think it would serve US interest for Russia to not win in Ukraine.
I’ve never once said Obama wasn’t responsible. I have in fact said that yes, we did want Yanokovich gone, so did the Ukranian people. None of that makes it okay, justifies or excuses Russia’s invasion. There is one person and one person only responsible for that… your buddy Putin
So original thinking is what has you in a tizzy. Yep… I’ve made the connection between Ukraine draft law 1155 and Obama’s timing of his coup. I don’t think anyone else has.
Yep, I’ve noted the sea change from the occasional swells of “meglomaniac putin” to “PUTIN IS GOING TO RECREATE THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE, DESTROY DEMOCRACY, OR DESTROY THE WORLD TRYING”. The cyclone of narrative began with Putin’s signing of the law to protect children from LGBTQ indoctrination.
My own research… for example. Yep. There are other examples… with as much evidence and often more than your productions.
Obama did more than “want” Yanokovich gone. His administration made it happen. And it required violence and death and the overthrow of a government by teams of NGOs and local opposition by followers of Stepan Bandera. THAT was the first invasion.
If you were stating your opinion, then say so, don’t try to pass it off as facts.
When I state facts, I state facts. When I state my opinion, its pretty obviously my opinion since it has a lot of caveats included like “I think” or “it seems”.
Putin as much as stated that he wanted to rebuild the soviet empire. That’s a fact.
Putin can’t destroy democracy, I’ve never heard anyone say that excepet Putin’s appeasers constructing straw men
The only people claiming he’ll destroy the world trying are the ones who fear he’ll go nuclear, which is mainly the people arguing for peace now… before its too late.
contributed to it… yeah fine. The people who made it happen were the Ukranian people.
You buy someone else’s interpretation… clearly propaganda. If you say Putin actually stated “as much”, let’s see WHAT HE REALLY SAYS.
So … you say you believe him.
There it is… his ACTUAL WORDS…plain and simple… not some interpretation of what his 11th dimension chessgame really means. Your 2014 commentary is just that, a commentary… not a fact. I posted in fact what putin says. You’ll ignore it. Cognitive dissonance is too painful. I understand.
PS… your opinions as to what are facts are still your opinions.
Thank you for admitting that Russia is OUR problem to deal with together
and neither Europe the US nor Ukraine is responsible.
You said previously that the US have nothing to do with it and are not russias enemy, so why have you hit them financially at all.
Do you think this doesn’t count to them.
While we’re at it why is it Europe’s problem either, because we happen to be geographically nearer.
Don’t worry though no doubt we will suffer the fallout regarding refugees (well already are)
I must say there appears to be some rewriting of history to claim the US and Russia are not traditionally enemies, now the s**t has hit the fan.
This is a very opaque statement and a specific use of the word interested in, so not sure exactly what you mean.
If you mean it that we have no choice but to deal with it in some capacity then that could be characterised as interested.
If you mean it in the sense its something Europe wants you could not be more wrong.
We are horrified at this happening all over again, albeit on a smaller scale.
And noone really knows what Putin might do.
Also don’t know how to or if I can add links, but if you google Russian security counsel secretary’s Mar 15 comments, he said Russia has enough weapons to wipe out Europe and the US sounds kinda of aggressive.
Hopefully it’s all bluster…
actual words on a different occasion which contradict his earlier words.
pick which time you want to believe him.
I’ll choose to believe he wanted to recreate Novo Russaye, since he posed in front of the map and has repeatedly said there is no such thing as Ukraine.
But you go right ahead on your mission to prove he’s really a good guy!
I get what you’re saying but Europe is in the same boat probably worse because we have a huge refugee problem too but it’s an actual war so we can’t really say no.
And we too will have to foot the bill.
But some are of the opinion that somehow Europe asked for this.but we feel if we just let Ukraine to perish, we’ll be next.
In a way, Europe did. It’s not as if Trump did not spend 4 years telling Europe they needed to up their defense game and stop relying on Russian energy. As things are now, Europe cannot go much deeper in weapons aid without hurting their own defense posture and the US is the only country that can still supply most of what’s needed. I support it, for a reason.
Ukraine winning and getting into NATO will shift power east in NATO and in Europe, to countries who know the value of defense spending. At that point the US could (after a short time) redefine our relationship with NATO and shift our major alliance to the pacific end of things expanding ANZUS to become the focus of our defense plans.
I know what you are saying and have thought at times eff Nato/Europe what is the point if we’re just going to go down the whole dictator route again and do nothing.
But the whole premise of it’s existence is not go to war unless attacked, it is very frustrating
The Eu has expanded but as we’ve already pointed out is not a military threat to other nations.
Rather we avoid it like the plague when maybe we shouldn’t
It’s not accurate to say Russia is Europe’s problem as they have been causing mayhem around the globe for years.
Afghanistan, Syria, Turkey the UK and many more.
I remember 1980’s…America go home chant in Europe.
I agree. I think the problem for some is thinking Ukraine is more than Europe’s problem. Don’t get me wrong, I support the idea that Ukraine has every right to defend its sovereign territory, but lets say they were defending it against a Belorus or Khazakstan invasion… wouldn’t be America’s problem then. It is because its Russia. I also think Zalensky is a good Presient for Ukraine, once this is over he has the opportunity to clean up Ukraine, get most of the corruption out, and build a better stronger Ukraine that will be a nice addition to Europe. I don’t think anyone else could.
I remember the 2000’s. We called, they answered (including Ukraine).
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I’m not familiar with that.
What was it about?
I remember in the 80s Reagan and Thatcher were great friends and the UK and US had a famously close relationship.
Anyway think of it like the different states in the US, all countries are very different and one sentiment wouldn’t reflect all.
I don’t think you understand how much our kids idolise and emulate everything about American culture. Half of them go around speaking with this weird hybrid of an American accent, drives me mad lol.
It was about American placing short range nukes in Europe to counter Soviet nukes in eastern Europe.
After the fall of Soviets, Europeans and EU wanted Americans to back there expansionism
America has a base there already so the US must want to or find it beneficial to it’s interest to get involved where it determines it’s in the best interest of the country.
If Europe falls who will be the Us’s trading partner.
I know you’ll dispute this but our economies are intertwined.
