Do Democrats Support Freedom for Cuba?

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-26T14:24:29.171Z

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

So, to SneakySFDude’s mind, states aren’t free.

Correct. And neither are you.

That explains a great deal.

WuWei · 2021-07-26T14:26:16.689Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

So, to SneakySFDude’s mind, states aren’t free.

Correct. And neither are you.

That explains a great deal.

Indeed. How many laws are there?

Bill.in.PA · 2021-07-26T14:30:24.493Z

If only we can go back to 1955

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Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-26T14:31:28.346Z

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

So, to SneakySFDude’s mind, states aren’t free.

Correct. And neither are you.

That explains a great deal.

Indeed. How many laws are there?

I am not interested in that discussion.

Instead, I’d like to ask you some questions if you don’t mind.

First off: is there a country more free than the U.S.? If so, what country is that?

WuWei · 2021-07-26T14:52:08.009Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

First off: is there a country more free than the U.S.? If so, what country is that?

Yes, many. Afghanistan for example.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-26T14:55:02.782Z

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

First off: is there a country more free than the U.S.? If so, what country is that?

Yes, many. Afghanistan for example.

I see. I appreciate your answer, especially in relation to the freedom exemplified thread. Thanks.

Yossarian · 2021-07-26T15:04:28.717Z

DMK:

Supreme_War_Pig:

I would love to see a free Cuba.

As would I. We have an opportunity right now to help that happen.

Making it free could happen now. The momentum is there.

How would we do that?

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-26T15:14:47.858Z

Yossarian:

DMK:

Supreme_War_Pig:

I would love to see a free Cuba.

As would I. We have an opportunity right now to help that happen.

Making it free could happen now. The momentum is there.

How would we do that?

Yeah, that piece seems a bit slippery. Some of them support arming the Cuban people. You know, cuz America has such success with other people’s civil wars.

Still others think we should just keep up the sanctions. I am skeptical of that, given that our Cuban sanctions are older than I am. However, they may (finally) be onto something given that Cuba’s last, best sponsor (Venezuela) is faltering.

Personally, I think the best shot is engagement. I really wish Trump had not reversed Obama’s policy of re-opening.

WuWei · 2021-07-26T15:31:10.491Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

Personally, I think the best shot is engagement. I really wish Trump had not reversed Obama’s policy of re-opening.

Why are they protesting?

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-26T15:41:21.980Z

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

Personally, I think the best shot is engagement. I really wish Trump had not reversed Obama’s policy of re-opening.

Why are they protesting?

…deteriorating living conditions and the medical attention amid increasing numbers of coronavirus infections.
https://www-wsj-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/cuba-protests-whats-happening-11626112390?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16273137370474&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fcuba-protests-whats-happening-11626112390

But generally, it appears to be a protest against the regime in full.

NJBob · 2021-07-26T15:42:06.875Z

JayJay:

Ceasar:

NJBob:

As linked to above, this is the statement by Biden that was issued on 7/12:

“We stand with the Cuban people and their clarion call for freedom and relief from the tragic grip of the pandemic and from the decades of repression and economic suffering to which they have been subjected by Cuba’s authoritarian regime.”

And yet does NOTHING to help them…

What should he do?

I asked the same question two days ago. Unsurprisingly there was no answer.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-26T15:46:56.569Z

NJBob:

JayJay:

Ceasar:

NJBob:

As linked to above, this is the statement by Biden that was issued on 7/12:

“We stand with the Cuban people and their clarion call for freedom and relief from the tragic grip of the pandemic and from the decades of repression and economic suffering to which they have been subjected by Cuba’s authoritarian regime.”

And yet does NOTHING to help them…

What should he do?

I asked the same question two days ago. Unsurprisingly there was no answer.

Given that the country is already sanctioned to the hilt, there’s not much more we can do in that regard. Biden did issue additional sanctions on specific regime officials and entities though.

WuWei · 2021-07-26T15:59:38.198Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

… deteriorating living conditions and the medical attention amid increasing numbers of coronavirus infections.

And you want to bail out the government by opening up?

WuWei · 2021-07-26T15:59:57.266Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

Biden did issue additional sanctions on specific regime officials and entities though.

One.
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Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-26T16:04:48.986Z

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

… deteriorating living conditions and the medical attention amid increasing numbers of coronavirus infections.

And you want to bail out the government by opening up?

Well, like I said the sanctions are older than I am, and yet Cuba endures.

In any event, I think we should have given the re-opening more time

WuWei · 2021-07-26T16:05:40.052Z

Jbiden can open it up at any time.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-26T16:08:12.181Z

WuWei:

Jbiden can open it up at any time.

That is true.

DMK · 2021-07-26T17:43:33.371Z

Start with internet access so they can communicate.

Drop supplies. Show support.

hwyflier · 2021-07-26T18:37:04.662Z

DMK:

Drop supplies. Show support

We’re the one preventing them from getting “supplies”.

DMK · 2021-07-26T18:38:45.672Z

hwyflier:

We’re the one preventing them from getting “supplies”.

Three weeks ago or today?
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They have trade agreements with a lot of countries.