Do border barriers really work?

Hungary police force has the number of decrease on the police website I will link it but it is in Hungarian. Not everyone wants to take the time to translate it roughly 99.9% decreasr in border crossings after the fence went up as well as more police on the border. They have been building a second fence since, not sure of its progress.

France just put one up :slight_smile:

So a single fence dropped border crossings 99.9%. That doesnā€™t sound made up.

I am 1/2 hungarian but donā€™t speak the languageā€¦so here is the interpretation from Wikiā€¦

Number of illegal migrants entering Hungary since 2015, monthly breakdown|Month|Number of migrants|
| ā€” | ā€” |
|2015-01|14,647|
|2015-02|17,384|
|2015-03|5,975|
|2015-04|8,224|
|2015-05|11,606|
|2015-06|19,546|
|2015-07|38,059|
|2015-08|57,938|
|2015-09|138,396|
|2015-10|99,497|
|2015-11|315|
|2015-12|270|
|2016-01|553|
|2016-02|2,398|
|2016-03|3,412|
|2016-04|3,946|
|2016-05|3,463|
|2016-06|3,768|
|2016-07|573|
|2016-08|348|
|2016-09|152|

Until our government can figure out a way to process asylum seekers, and turn immigrants into legal citizens in an expedited manner, I am afraid I have to support building of some kind of TEMPORARY border barrier. Not a permanent wall. But something that can stem the flow.

My problem with the current attempt at building a border barrier is the way our president and government have gone about it. Since January 2017 how many miles of barrier have been constructed?

ā€œSince January 2017, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and [CBP] have received funding to support construction of up to 201-205 miles of new border barriers,ā€ CBP said in a ā€œborder wall statusā€ update dated on June 14.

Of those 201-205 miles the Trump administration has received funding for through a combination of appropriations and the Treasury Forfeiture Fund (TFF), however, only 46.7 miles have been built two-and-a-half years into Trumpā€™s presidency. Much of the border wall that has been built has been put up in places where construction is replacing ā€œdilapidated designs.ā€

almost 47 miles of Trump border wall since January 2017 (as of July 2019)ā€¦The Hungarians built 325 miles of border barrier in just over three months.

Why all the lying, about whoā€™s crossing, why all the lies about whoā€™s going to pay for it. Just build some damn 13 foot high fencesā€¦put them in place and stop the flow?

Trump Builds great thingsā€¦Heā€™s a great builder of things. But he canā€™t put up more than 47 miles of what amounts to a fence with wire at the top in two years time. Thatā€™s what my problem is.

I would say the numbers are somewhat close we donā€™t have other numbers that I have seen other than the governments which if you compare to a separate fence put up to stop migration on the western Balkan route had similiar success with a different source for the numbers

Hungary migration numbers

Western Balkan fence migration numbers

We canā€™t track them. They have to list something of an penitentiary or address but there is no longer sponsorship required or sponsors being held responsible for those who disappear.

There is no possible way to know how many actually remain in the country because there are numerous ways they can exit without passing through customs.

The fact that very few migrants even try to go through Hungary and that Hungary passed a law NGO officials caught helping migrants will go to jail should say something about the numbers they donā€™t ā– ā– ā– ā–  around in Hungary on migration.

I am not sure why people doubt the numbers even the NGO a far left organization estimates only 2 migrants get into Hungary per day.

Anyone interested google the article ā€œ In OrbĆ”nā€™s Hungary, refugees are unwelcome ā€” so are those who try to helpā€

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They are doing it the right way attacking the problem from all angles.